At 18:11 08/10/2005, Chuck Allison wrote:
>While their graduates will
>indeed be effective in some technical workplaces, I think the slanted
>education will take its toll. As a college professor, I am concerned
>for people who go that fit-a-mold route.
I've been keeping quiet on this thread, but I
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:21:22 EDT, Arthur writes:
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: Arthur
>> Cc: 'Laura Creighton'; 'Radenski, Atanas'; 'Chuck Allison'; edu-
>
>
>> I think that only people who thrive on playing with their
>> ma
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:06:18 CDT, John Zelle writes:
>OK, I think I'm getting some insight here, but something still doesn't
>quite ring true for me.
>
>I said:
>>>I hear researchers say this at conferences, and I read it in the
>>>literature about gender balance in computer science,
> -Original Message-
> From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This isn't a problem for men to solve as men. It is a problem for
> educators to solve, as educators.
Well - let me be the reactionary, again.
With some reference back to David's point about "social engineeri
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: 'Laura Creighton'; 'Arthur'
>
> Well - let me be the reactionary, again.
Only because this subject is *so* significant to me, and I understand that I
am subverting that serious
> But will settle for a moratorium.
>
> A good, long moratorium.
>
> Art
>
Just trying to get clear what there's a moratorium on. Educators doing
something to right an imbalance of some kind? Sounds like we might want to
be doing that, not slamming a door shut on. And your objection is somet
> Moratorium, at least until we get our heads on straight.
>
> Art
>
OK, Art, much clearer that time. Amazing what a change in frequency will
do.
I want to back up and start earlier: there's not really a problem here,
with women and math. They're good at it, period. In all dimensions. They
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:38 AM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
>
> > But will settle for a moratorium.
> >
> > A good, long moratorium.
> >
> > Art
> >
>
> Just trying to get clear what there's a moratorium
> This is part of the chemistry story. it attracts women who say the only
> important reason for them to become chemists is that 'there were a lot
> of women in it'. Which is rather hard on those of us who would like to
> spread the succcess elsewhere. It means that if we could get even
> modera
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:55 AM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
> Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL
> As a boy, I'm looking at a different rebalancing act: CS
> I would appreciate it if you resisted.
>
I *am* resisting. It sounds to me like you want to block important
processing among expert educators by raising irrelevant specters, or rather,
relevant specters in an irrelevant fashion.
It is you who bring in Marxism as a key word, without context,
> I have no place for GPS in my program.
>
> Art
>
That's perfectly fine, and so we compete, counter-recruit. You fill your
school, I'll fill mine, and like that.
GPS is important when driving a [Google?] bizmo to a point of interest. We
train faculty in that skill, starting at a young age.
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:04 PM
> To: 'Kirby Urner'; 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
>
> I have no place for GPS in my program.
Not never, BTW.
It needs the proper gestation period before we can find beautiful things
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:21 PM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
> Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL
> knowing what time it is in Tokyo, when it's midnight in Ne
> Heh - I should to leave something on the table for my great granddaughter
> to get to work on.
>
> Art
>
This work is too primal to just leave undone for another 100 years. What
were we proposing to do in the meantime, just sit back and make money, watch
people starve? They'd never forgive u
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:49 PM
>
> This work is too primal to just leave undone for another 100 years. What
> were we proposing to do in the meantime, just sit back and make money,
> watch
> people starve? The
> What time it is in Tokyo, when it's midnight in New York?
>
I can't point to the moon either, but I'm working on it. Stellarium and
Celestia a big help. OMSI too.
> Outside the context the concept of the history of our confrontation with
> time and timekeeping, you are talking about triviali
> The beautiful things that we are actually more than equipped to do now, as
> I have said, and as you pass over.
>
> Art
>
We're equipped to rescue people from disaster now. There's nothing
beautiful in not doing that. I'm not interested in your curriculum at this
point. Nuff said.
Kirby
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:53 PM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
> According to a network of atomic clocks synched with GPS satellites and
> monitored in Japan as surely as in Colorado.
Triviality - outside of
> My answer to your moral activist concerns, which I like to think I share
> in my way, is "mindfulness".
>
> Mindfulness depends on an appreciation of the evolution of things.
>
I can't help but translate this into some Buddhist namespace -- several are
familiar to me.
> The "Empires of Time"
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:10 PM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
>
> It is you who bring in Marxism as a key word, without context, and expect
> that to mean something to others. You presume a shared namespace.
> Just some intellectual honesty.
>
> Art
>
Yes, and all highly ethnographic and not necessarily relevant history to
others on this list, either.
And me?
I grew up in Rome, with the Communist Party just another decal, with
candidates, rhetoric and so on, along with whatever exotic
anarcho-c
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 2:31 PM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
>
> In Fuller's (RBF's) lexicon, some of which I've adopted, per Synergetics
> Dictionary (EJA), we speak of the East India Company
Yeah those fo
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:36 PM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
> Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL
>
> > Just some intellectual honesty.
> >
> > Art
> >
>
> Ye
> > > Just some intellectual honesty.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> >
> > Yes, and all highly ethnographic and not necessarily relevant history to
> > others on this list, either.
>
> Well you've just earned a "fuck you".
>
> Fuck you.
>
> I never thought it was, but you specifically asked for the
>
> > In Fuller's (RBF's) lexicon, some of which I've adopted, per Synergetics
> > Dictionary (EJA), we speak of the East India Company
>
> Yeah those folks are a big part of the story.
>
Correctamundo. Especially in Japan.
Kirby
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> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:42 PM
> To: 'Kirby Urner'; 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
> >
> > Yes, and all highly ethnographic and not necessarily relevant history to
> > others on this list, either.
>
> Well you've just e
> I toss it off to the fact that I have not made enough of an effort to
> study the man's thought to be in a position to say much, and my definite
> impressions - though there - are not been worthy of mention.
>
> Take a clue.
>
> Art
>
But I'm a walking prickly pear of clues, so if you'd wante
On 10/9/05, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:36 PM
> > To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
> > Cc: edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:09 PM
> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
>
> > > In Fuller's (RBF's) lexicon, some of which I've adopted, per
> Synergetics
> > > Dictionary (EJA), we speak of the East India Company
> >
> > Fuck you.
>
> Children!
>
> Can you please chill out until I get my email filters to work
> correctly so that threads that include both Arthur and Kirby
> automatically bypass the inbox? Please?
Timing issue.
How we will when that is?
Art
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On Oct 9, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Lloyd Hugh Allen wrote:
> On 10/9/05, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:36 PM
>>> To: 'Arthur'; 'Laura Creighton'
>>> Cc: edu-sig@python.org;
> > Well you've just earned a "fuck you".
> >
> > Fuck you.
>
> Children!
>
> Can you please chill out until I get my email filters to work
> correctly so that threads that include both Arthur and Kirby
> automatically bypass the inbox? Please?
First, I'm not responsible for the above language
> This thread appears to have gotten seriously off-topic. Art & Kirby,
> will the two of you please take these exchanges off the list? Both of
> you contribute useful information much of the time, but I'm afraid
> many people (including myself) will filter both of you into their
> trash and miss th
> Good read.
>
> Art
>
Thanks for the summary. Sounds like an ISEPP lecture (isepp.org).
Speaking of ISEPP, I've got a boat meeting set up with the Wanderers CEO,
Don Wardwell (wwwanderers.org). Gonna float on Meliptus near PDX out on the
Columbia 'til mom calls, flying in from SoCal, at whic
Kirby Urner wrote:
> Talk about fishing for expert help!
>
> Thanks Guido.
>
> It's a pruning algorithm where I strip way pieces that don't meet up at
> (x,y,z) bridge points. Lots of symmetry about the origin so just pure
> distance won't work (not unique enough).
>
> I think might still g
From: Anna Martelli Ravenscroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Sat, 2005-10-08 at 18:25 -0700, Radenski, Atanas wrote:
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On
> > Behalf Of Arthur
>> > Beauty is beauty, and is
> Beware:
> 1.999 and 2.0001 likely won't lie in the same
> bin. You'll need to check neighbors for candidates, unless your fixed
> point stuff reflects an underlying granularity.
>
> -- Scott David Daniels
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the heads up Scott.
I'm translat
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby Urner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Speaking of ISEPP, I've got a boat meeting set up with the Wanderers CEO,
> Don Wardwell (wwwanderers.org).
Maybe you should invite Dave and Lloyd to the Wanderers homepage as well:
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