Re: [Edu-sig] IronPython 1.0 on Slashdot

2006-09-06 Thread Arthur
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I'm working on porting our Python Robotics and associated AI code to >IronPython. > > Don't know which came first, the chicken of the egg, but is it presumptuous to assume that Microsoft's funding of Institute for Personal Robots in Education at Bryn Mawr is no

[Edu-sig] high school programming club question

2006-09-06 Thread Liow, Dr. Yihsiang
Hi everyone, I've been reading postings in thie group a long time but have not really posting much. Anyway, I have a question. I'm planning to start a high school programming club and I'm looking for materials. I've been programming Python for 4 years and have used PyGame, VPython in some of

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Toby Donaldson
> > I've been watching this discussion and wondering - how much of the > > problems > > people complain about would go away if here was a "teaching" > distribution > > of > > python. That is one that did the equivalent of > > > > from teaching import * > > Nowadays, college students want to do "rea

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread John Zelle
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 6:22 pm, Dethe Elza wrote: > On 6-Sep-06, at 2:51 PM, John Zelle wrote: > > I believe that a good language is one that provides a natural way > > to express > > algorithms as we think about them. Python is one of the very best I > > have > > found for that. I believe

Re: [Edu-sig] IronPython 1.0 on Slashdot

2006-09-06 Thread dblank
> As someone consistently upbeat about .NET and Mono (pronouced moe no, > not mah no), I share Jim's excitement for the future. Will this be > the last year I teach CPython for Saturday Academy? (I doubt it). > > Kirby > >>From Slashdot: Blame me for the slashdot post. IronPython is an amazingly-

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Radenski, Atanas
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Michael > Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000 > > I've been watching this discussion and wondering - how much of the > problems > people complain about would go away if here w

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Dethe Elza
On 6-Sep-06, at 2:51 PM, John Zelle wrote: > I believe that a good language is one that provides a natural way > to express > algorithms as we think about them. Python is one of the very best I > have > found for that. I believe (for reasons already stated) it is less good > without raw_input

[Edu-sig] IronPython 1.0 on Slashdot

2006-09-06 Thread kirby urner
As someone consistently upbeat about .NET and Mono (pronouced moe no, not mah no), I share Jim's excitement for the future. Will this be the last year I teach CPython for Saturday Academy? (I doubt it). Kirby >From Slashdot: "IronPython version 1.0 was just released after 3 years of development

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Michael
I've been watching this discussion and wondering - how much of the problems people complain about would go away if here was a "teaching" distribution of python. That is one that did the equivalent of from teaching import * to put things in the global namespace at start time. Generally this woul

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread dblank
I think John and Joshua both hit the nail on the head (below). In trying to figure out what exactly it is that Pascal and Python have (and most other tools do not), I came up with the idea of "pedagogical scalability". Simply, these tools allow the user to do a lot early, but does not impose any pa

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Joshua Zucker
On 9/6/06, John Zelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People often say that Pascal was designed as a "teaching language." I remember > a written interview with Nicklaus Wirth where he was asked what makes Pascal > a good teaching language, and his reponse, as I remember it, was something > like: Pasca

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread John Zelle
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 1:24 pm, Arthur wrote: > John Zelle wrote: > >I have no idea what you mean here. Speaking only for myself, I am simply > >stating that a language that requires me to use an extended library to do > >simple input is less useful as a teaching tool than one that does no

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Peter Chase
Arthur Siegel wrote: > On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 21:36 -0500, John Zelle wrote: > > >> It may not be on that scale, but it would certainly cause me to survey the >> language landscape again to see if there are better languages for teaching. >> > > > On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 09:45 -0500, Peter Ch

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Arthur
John Zelle wrote: >On Wednesday 06 September 2006 8:00 am, Arthur Siegel wrote: > > >>Being dispassionate on the issue itself - I have *never* used >>raw_input() and, as it happens, I am generally literate enough at this >>point so that the intentions of sys.stdin.readline is *clearer* to me >>t

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread John Zelle
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 8:00 am, Arthur Siegel wrote: > Being dispassionate on the issue itself - I have *never* used > raw_input() and, as it happens, I am generally literate enough at this > point so that the intentions of sys.stdin.readline is *clearer* to me > than is raw_input() - I am

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-06 Thread Arthur Siegel
On Mon, 2006-09-04 at 21:36 -0500, John Zelle wrote: > It may not be on that scale, but it would certainly cause me to survey the > language landscape again to see if there are better languages for teaching. On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 09:45 -0500, Peter Chase wrote: > If you want to expose your stu