Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/12/06, Andre Roberge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yet, I think it is a mistake to remove it (as I have stated before). > To those that disagree, I would ask: how do you propose in concrete > terms (not pie-in-the-sky) to replace Zelle`s book, Dawson's book and > How to think like a computer s

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread Andre Roberge
Hi all, I was going to do like John Zelle, and stop contributing to this point, but I have a lot less discipline than he does. A while ago, out of curiosity I bought "Python programming for the absolute beginner" by Michael Dawson to see his approach as it is considered an extremely newbie-friend

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread Radenski, Atanas
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jan Claeys > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:37 PM > To: edu-sig@python.org > Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution > > Op za, 09-09-2006 te 17:53 -0700, schreef Rade

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/12/06, Joshua Zucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the point is that a C programmer can start writing C++ > programs without having to change anything -- legal C programs will > still run just fine in C++. Then the C programmer can gradually learn > whatever parts of the extensions of

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread Joshua Zucker
On 9/12/06, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op za, 09-09-2006 te 17:53 -0700, schreef Radenski, Atanas: > > Strictly speaking this is true, but Mr. Stroustrups own papers also > > explain how important the full C/C++ compatibility is - and that > > achieving it is his ideal > > Well, strict

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/9/06, kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But that's just [our] "stars in the sky" style over in Buckyville. We > have these weird slogans, like "YOU be the glue." Brad says our > private sky is NOT THE WORLD in his posts. He sounds like a > philosopher. Some other castle somewhere,

Re: [Edu-sig] Compatibility and legacy in language evolution

2006-09-12 Thread Jan Claeys
Op za, 09-09-2006 te 17:53 -0700, schreef Radenski, Atanas: > Strictly speaking this is true, but Mr. Stroustrups own papers also > explain how important the full C/C++ compatibility is - and that > achieving it is his ideal Well, strictly speaking language A can only be fully compatible with lang

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/12/06, kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Top-to-bottom executable scripting, with maybe forks in the road, as in: > > dumb_user_says = raw_input("yes or no?: ") > > and likely no going back if you answer it wrong: > > confirm = raw_input("are you sure??") > "... is a style we don't re

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/8/06, Joshua Zucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/8/06, kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the model today is "a person writing code for him or herself" > > i.e. "self as client" -- at least in an early context. We're not > > guiding the unknowing through a menu tree. We

[Edu-sig] The fate of raw-input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread Daniel Ajoy
On 12 Sep 2006 at 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > To cut to the chase: raw_input() provides an extremely useful > I/O function for simple exercise type problems which are so essential > in building a beginners repertoire of programming techniques and > for 'John Zeller' type problems ( simple qu

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw-input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread kirby urner
On 9/10/06, Hugh Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To cut to the chase: raw_input() provides an extremely useful > I/O function for simple exercise type problems which are so essential > in building a beginners repertoire of programming techniques and > for 'John Zeller' type problems ( simple

Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw-input() in Python 3000

2006-09-12 Thread Peter Chase
Hugh Stewart wrote: > > > Python gives us a programming language of extraordinary productivity > at all levels of programming (especially for beginners). > Exactly. Peter Chase Alpine, TX ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.pyth