Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread Scott Durkin
Damon, Thank you for your thoughtful response. In terms of the Python tests, I as well would hope that all my students (13- to 15-years-old) could answer questions based on the content shared - kind of in the spirit of the Computing for All/Core Knowledge (NoChildLeftBehind-ish? - not playing "go

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread damon bryant
>Could it be argued that the goal be for all students to score 100% on the >desired content? > I would argue that it should be one of the goals in designing and implementing a training program. The test could have a different purpose. What we all have experienced in teaching students is that abi

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread Rodrigo Senra
[ Scott Durkin ]: > Could it be argued that the goal be for all students to score 100% > on the > desired content? That is precisely my goal when I elaborate exams. No success so far ;o) [ Damon Bryant ]: > No, students are not receiving a hard A or an easy A. I make no > classifications

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread damon bryant
Total does make more sense. I've made the change to "total". Thanks, Scott! From: Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: edu-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:23:52 -0800 damon bryant wrote: .

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread Scott David Daniels
damon bryant wrote: ... > I have corrected the issue with the use of 'sum' (now ‘sum1’) and the I'd suggest "total" would be a better replacement than sum1. --Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread damon bryant
back end has made it ‘fast enough’ for operational use. What do you think? From: w chun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: damon bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: edu-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:46:32 -0800 > The proble

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-06 Thread Laura Creighton
e degree by getting >items that are appropriately matched to their skill level. This is the >aspect of adaptive testing that is attractive to me. It may not solve the > >problem, but it is a way of using technology to move in the right directi >on. >I hope this is a better explanation

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-05 Thread w chun
> The problems seemed to get much easier in the last 5 or so (very basic > syntax questions). The one about "James"=="james" returning -1 is no longer > true on some Pythons (as now we have boolean True). the tests were well done... i enjoyed taking them. like kirby, i also found the Boolean is

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-05 Thread Scott David Daniels
damon bryant wrote: > Hi Rodrigo! > >> If I understood correctly the proposal is to give a "hard"-A for some >> and an "easy"-A >> for others, so everybody have A's (A=='good score'). Is that it? > > No, students are not receiving a hard A or an easy A. I make no > classifications such as those

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-05 Thread Scott Durkin
Could it be argued that the goal be for all students to score 100% on the desired content? Rodrigo Senra said: > > On 5Dec 2005, at 7:50 AM, damon bryant wrote: > >> One of the main reasons I decided to use an Item Response Theory (IRT) >> framework was that the testing platform, once fully opera

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-05 Thread damon bryant
ope this is a better explanation than what I provided earlier. >From: Rodrigo Senra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: edu-sig@python.org >Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 19:53:00 -0200 > > >On 5Dec 2005, at 7:50 AM, damon b

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-05 Thread Rodrigo Senra
On 5Dec 2005, at 7:50 AM, damon bryant wrote: > One of the main reasons I decided to use an Item Response Theory (IRT) > framework was that the testing platform, once fully operational, > will not > give students questions that are either too easy or too difficult > for them, > thus reducing

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-05 Thread damon bryant
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test >Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 00:52:50 -0700 > >Hello Laura, > >That's better than the Abstract Algebra class I took as an >undergraduate. The highest score on Test 1 was 19%. I got 6%!

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-04 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Laura, That's better than the Abstract Algebra class I took as an undergraduate. The highest score on Test 1 was 19%. I got 6%! I retook the class from another teacher and topped the class. Liked the subject so much I took the second semester just for fun. Testing and teaching strategies mak

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-04 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:32:27 PST, Scott David Daniels writes: >I wrote: > >> ... keeping people at 80% correct is great rule-of-thumb goal ... > >To elaborate on the statement above a bit, we did drill-and practice >teaching (and had students loving it). The value of the 80% is for >m

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-04 Thread Scott David Daniels
I wrote: >> ... keeping people at 80% correct is great rule-of-thumb goal ... To elaborate on the statement above a bit, we did drill-and practice teaching (and had students loving it). The value of the 80% is for maximal learning. Something like 50% is the best for measurement theory (but disc

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-04 Thread damon bryant
ll students, monitor testing status, and view scores for all students. Do you know of any? >From: Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: edu-sig@python.org >Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test >Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:03:06 -0800 > >d

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-03 Thread Scott David Daniels
damon bryant wrote: > As you got more items correct > you got harder questions. In contrast, if you initially got questions > incorrect, you would have received easier questions In the 70s there was research on such systems (keeping people at 80% correct is great rule-of-thumb goal). See Stu

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-03 Thread damon bryant
thm based on my dissertation. By expanding the question bank, I'll be able to reach that goal. >From: "Kirby Urner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'damon bryant'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: edu-sig@python.org >Subject: RE: [Edu-si

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-03 Thread Kirby Urner
> I tweaked it now where all other browsers and OS combinations can access > the computer adaptive tests. Performance may be unpredictable though. > > Damon OK, thanks. Worked with no problems. As an administrator, I'd be curious to get the actual text of missed problems (maybe via URL), not ju

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-02 Thread damon bryant
mon bryant'" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: edu-sig@python.org >Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:50:36 -0800 > >Similar comment. I'm on Windows but don't want to be tested by a service >that

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-02 Thread Kirby Urner
2, 2005 2:38 PM > To: damon bryant > Cc: edu-sig@python.org > Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test > > In my opinion, you would get more responses if the testing system > accepted a browser/OS combination other than IE/Windows > > C

Re: [Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-02 Thread Vern Ceder
In my opinion, you would get more responses if the testing system accepted a browser/OS combination other than IE/Windows Cheers, Vern Ceder (using Firefox and Ubuntu Linux) damon bryant wrote: > Hey folks! > > Lindel Grandel and I have been working on some Python questions for > potential

[Edu-sig] Python Programming: Procedural Online Test

2005-12-02 Thread damon bryant
Hey folks! Lindel Grandel and I have been working on some Python questions for potential use in high schools, college, and employment. If you are interested in taking one of the online tests go to http://www.adaptiveassessmentservices.com and self-register to take one of two Python tests: one i