Keep in mind that the only real question is will I get my K3 before
Christmas, in January, or February? This is not going to matter in the
long run unless you are significantly older than even I am.
Perhaps so, when seen from your point of view, Vic. But other people
may have very valid
Don,
By my estimate (again judging only from the serial numbers
accounted for), serial number 225 should ship well before
Christmas, and they should have shipped SN 250 before the
first of the year.
That's still extremely frustrating for even those in the second
batch who ordered
I recently purchased a 5K watt PVC balun from a very well known supplier of
wire antenna and baluns. This supplier has a G5RV antenna that they are
marketing with this balun.
I believed the vendor that it would work on my G5RV; particularly because I am
running medium (not high power) of
This is the way I see it.
Waiting for a K3 is like waiting in a long line for a movie. Most people
realize that waiting in line is no fun and have to make a decision on
whether the wait is worth it, or, get out of line. Having made the decision
to wait in line one usually finds a way to distract
Kevin,
I'm still trying to figure out why people who paid VOLUNTARY
deposits or were in the first run, or second run, didn't pay
deposits, etc, etc, etc, Ad nauseam, are entitled to a unit by
unit run down of radios going out the door.
I've remained silent on the shipping date issue
Don, the long wait is not a problem, even though they have had $1372 of
my money for 7 months and not even a personal thank you or apology.
*The real problem is the constant lies and broken promises coming out of
Aptos, together with the lack of explanation, in fact, virtual silence*.
Those
By my count, it does look like there are now at least 30 K3s being
shipped per week over the past 2 week period, judging from the serial
numbers that have been posted on the wiki.
That means that Don Rasmussen's projections are overly pessimistic. By
my estimate (again judging only from the
My experience as well. Sony does not cause me problems but does
provide a lot of pleasure.
Slater, ve5oa
On 7-Dec-07, at 8:10 AM, Jeremiah McCarthy wrote:
There is nothing unique about the power cables Sony uses...In every
piece of Sony equipment I have ever come across, they used the
There is nothing unique about the power cables Sony uses...In every piece of
Sony equipment I have ever come across, they used the standard IEC
configuration widely used in computers, printers, TV's, lab equipment, etc...I
have a Sony TV, DVD, VCR, and satellite receiver...They all use the same
If the radio is as good as advertised Ill wait. I ordered in mid Nov and in
fact paid in full. Personally don't hurry to rush my radio out. I want it
right the first time.
Mike/aj9c
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Are there any add ons that would be better ordered with a radio at the
time of initial construction?
Mike:
Order the PA with the rig if you can. It requires the installation of a
metal shield that, to retrofit, requires a bit of
That's also my take on it Joe F.W.I.W.
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:07:05 -0500, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
Kevin,
I'm still trying to figure out why people who paid VOLUNTARY
deposits or were in the first run, or second run, didn't pay
deposits, etc, etc, etc, Ad nauseam, are
On Dec 7, 2007 7:17 AM, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You'll just have to get used to it.
No, I don't
I have a great deal of respect for people like you who contribute to
ham radio in a significant and unselfish way. However, I've become
completely exhausted of this list turning into
I think it's just that a few folks need to vent a little after the long
wait. But if you look at the wiki list of K3's received, output is
picking up nicely. I think over 50 K3's are going out now each week--maybe
more. So everyone needs to hook up their Valium drip and take a deep
breath.
Arrogant? Whining? Twits? I don't see any arguments there for why it
is not legitimate to voice one's frustration over optimistic delivery
estimates and broken promises.
But thanks to your reasoned reply I have now decided to consider
cancelling my order. I don't *need* a K3. I have a perfectly
I'm not surprised Bob. The best way is to throw the G5RV away or feed it
with balanced feed - 450 ohm twin or open wire to a balanced atu.
The design of the 5RV is a compromise. The twin section acts as a
transformer and will only present the correct match at certain
frequencies if the
The sun may actually be coming back. I have been watching the smoothed sunspot
number climb from 0 to 29 over the past several days, and the solar flux has
finally crept up a bit (at 78 as I write this).
This has compelled me to get up early (1300-1400z) to hunt for DX... SM4OTI has
been
Regarding the overflow of messages on things we cannot change, there
are some we can.
could we put in the subject line K3 SHIPPING
as in radio = K3
interest = shipping , or for that matter lack of shipping.
that way those of us who has set our email clients to deal with
Julian makes a good point, but we're not going to use MD5.
The intel hex format contains sufficient internal integrity checks that we
can very likely tell that it has been corrupted. It has a line-by-line star
character, a per-line checksum byte, and it has a definite end of file
record. The
On 07/12/2007, R. Kevin Stover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Absolutely!
The whining level around here is starting to get a little embarrassing.
Some on the reflector sound like a bunch of third grade girls who've
just found out recess is canceled.
I'm still trying to figure out why people who
Julian G4ILO wrote:
Surely the uploader should do some kind of integrity check, instead of
attempting to upload a duff file to the radio? It's not exactly rocket
science. There's a thing called MD5 that's very good for this...
MD5 is overkill. It's intended to detect deliberate tampering,
Julian,
It's just as much of an insult to call the Elecraft crew liars and
accuse them of broken promises.
Anyone who's ever been involved in product development and ramping up
production, especially complex products where you're dependent on
suppliers to meet their schedules, know that
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Don Wilhelm wrote:
I will get my K3 in due time I am
certain, and I am certainly not going to bug them about it - whining
about it will not hurry the process and may even slow it down.
73,
Don W3FPR
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Absolutely!
The
I am not about to leave the list yet, but those who perpetually complain
on this list should know that it really does no good, and does direct
some anger at those who do the complaining - most of us can do nothing
about your complaint, an email direct to Elecraft would likely be more
Are there any add ons that would be better ordered with a radio at the time of
initial construction? I'd hate to have to disassemble the entire radio to
install the 2d rx for instance if it is better installed at the start. Are the
add on modules more like computer cards where you will put
This is unique Reflector..
I counted up all of the many messages I have received, and it seems that the
majority of the messages received on this reflector are on the subject of
SHIPPING, and not about the merits or technical issues of the Elecraft
products themselves.
Hello all,
I just ordered a K3 a few minutes ago :-)
Currrently I'm using a Ten-Tec Orion II and a Yaesu FT1000MP Mark V. The
Mark V will for sure leave the shack for the K3...
73, Cedric HB9HFN
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Good input. I should have mentioned I have the K-3/100 on order.
Gary Bartlett VE1RGB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Are there any add ons that would be better ordered with a radio at the
time of initial construction?
Mike:
Here Here..
Sadly, for me, this list is almost unbearable to sift through.
Ken Lotts
aa7jc
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This is unique Reflector..
I counted up all of the many messages I have received, and it seems that the
majority of the messages received on this reflector are on
I'll finally chime in as well, and AGREE with Jason! We have to get
used to it? I've never seen so many arrogant, whining twits in my
entire life!! Get a hobby! I'm outta here as well.
Greg
ki4mmm
On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Jason Milldrum wrote:
On Dec 7, 2007 7:17 AM, Julian
My K3 has crystal filters, the KPA3 amplifier, the receive bandpass filter, the
transverter interface and the antenna tuner. I would say that none of these
would require more than an hour to add individually. It takes less time to
install several options together than to install each option
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 09:17, Bill W5WVO wrote:
Dave Yarnes wrote:
If you think about other rigs that are out there, it does seem to
take an inordinate amount of time to get them from prototype to
market product. The IC-7000, for example, was shown at Dayton nearly
a year before it
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Guys - This thread is rapidly degenerating into a name calling contest.
It is OFFICIALLY ended. Please refrain for further posts criticizing
what others are saying.
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P.S. As a general note - My dealing with the email from everyone
Guys - This thread is rapidly degenerating into a name calling contest.
It is OFFICIALLY ended. Please refrain for further posts criticizing
what others are saying.
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P.S. As a general note - My dealing with the email from everyone
Hey that just moved me up the list by one. Thanks Ed. See ya.
Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward R. Breneiser
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:41 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
K3 #98 is working well. Has anyone found the right settings
of Mic Gain (Hi/Lo?), Comp, VOX Gain, and VOX delay for the
Heil HC4 element?
Search the archives for the post I made following SS Phone on this exact
topic (Subject: K3 in SS Phone) on 19 November 2007. Here is the paragraph
Yeah, Chris, it's bitching...when you do it day after day after week
after week. That's all we hear on the list any more is you and people like
you complaining about not having your K3 when you think you should have it.
Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
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Not me Greg. I'm finally getting involved in this discussion and I
am going to hang around and make life miserable for these miserable little
boys who can't have their toys.
At least until Eric un-subscribes me.
Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
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Hey all,
While I'm awaiting my K3 delivery, I'm feeling the need to play with more gear.
I'm on the lookout for either an Elecraft 2M transverter, or a KX1. If
you have either one of these that you're looking to sell, whether it's
still in kit form, built or partially built, please contact me
It's just been confirmed. G4ILO was hired by Yaesu and Icom to
create bad publicity for Elecraft. The big 3 just can't fade the heat.
Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
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Sent:
SN 128 ordered May 1st has arrived in the UK. Thank you Elecraft.
Sadly I am not back in the UK yet but I have booked a days holiday next
week to build the radio.
I specified UPS Express delivery. The radio left Aptos on Friday
November 30th and first delivery was attempted on Monday 3rd
I sure hope someone brought some cheese to go along with all of this whine.
This all reminds me of the kids in the back seat asking if we are there yet.
No one was forced to put money up front. If you did, you take your
chances. Unhappy? Get out of queue.
I'm in run #2 with no deposit. Eric,
Darn spell checkers! ;-)
I'm ready for a -huge- dinner tonight..
Eric
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Terry Schieler wrote:
Eric wrote:
we will not let quality supper
Many thanks for the update Eric. Now take a break guy and get something to
eat. You're obviously starving. :o)
Terry, W0FM
'Extensive promotion'? I have seen some adds in the magazines, and a
couple of articles in NCJ by early adopters. But nothing big
mainstream. I have not seen multi-page spreads, or any promotions you
see from other manufactures. Most of the 'promotion' has been on this
list. Promotion on
Right now we are wondering how in the heck we are going to survive
this ordeal. A year from now we are all going to be saying, yeah, there was
no doubt in my mind that Elecraft would come through, and, gee, I sure
love my new K3. When we finally get our K3 all of this will seem so
fleeting
I think the hardest add-on to do after-the-fact is the transverter interface
KXV3. It requires removal of the KIO3 and the side and bottom panels. Based
on my guess about how the second RX board fits, I think adding the KXV3
might also require removal of the second RX.
I don't have the KDVR3
Almost every ham rig is released and publicized long before
the radio hits the market.
That's true to some extent but other than the Icom 7700 and
perhaps the TenTec Orion, I don't know of any that received
such extensive promotion so far in advance of delivery in
real quantity. In
Can I have it, Plase?
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Dale - WC7S in Wy
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Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in.
Whoohoo moving up in the queue!!!
Almost every ham rig is released and publicized long before the radio hits
the market.
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To:
Hello all,
I grew tired of waiting for a K3. Called Elecraft today and they said my
August order would not be shipped out until after January
sometime. Never heard of ordering a radio and having to wait around six
months for it - maybe longer!
I cancelled my order and asked for my deposit back.
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I'd like to make a general statement about deliveries, status updates, etc.
First of all, I'm primarily focused on getting K3s out the door each day
and as a result I only read the list every second or third day, so my
replies to queries here can easily be delayed by that amount. Also, when
In principle, is the K3 capable of measuring the IMD of its own transmitted
PSK signal? And if so, would a firmware change enable the IMD to be
displayed?
73 Chris, MØPSK
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Jason, with respect, this is not bitching.
All people are asking for is honest and realistic communication from
Elecraft.
Lies and broken promises are fuelling discontent. People have contacted
Elecraft directly and are constantly being fed rubbish.
This is yet another email which needn't
Christopher A. Kantarjiev wrote:
The sun may actually be coming back. I have been watching the smoothed
sunspot number climb from 0 to 29 over the past several days, and the
solar flux has finally crept up a bit (at 78 as I write this).
This has compelled me to get up early (1300-1400z) to
Chris, I guess I take issue with lies. I don't believe Elecraft is
deliberately misleading or misrepresenting anything to anyone. I'll
agree that things have not gone as stated, that people have been
mislead, but I see it as Elecraft's inability to predict events rather
than Elecraft
WB3ANQ:
Can the temperature reading be shown on the display?
Both the Front Panel and PA temperature can
be seen by pressing DISP and scrolling the Sub knob.
Also UTC, date, current, voltage and several other
parameters, some of which I haven't figured out the
use for yet! I'll leave
jes just press disp and you can display time, date,... pa-temp,
fp-temp...
I have seen mention that the K3 has two Temperature Senors. Can the
temperature reading be shown on the display?
Larry Putman WB3ANQ
Pasadena, Maryland FM19rc
www.wb3anq.com
K3 On Order
I have seen mention that the K3 has two Temperature Senors. Can the temperature
reading be shown on the display?
Larry Putman WB3ANQ
Pasadena, Maryland FM19rc
www.wb3anq.com
K3 On Order
Never miss a
Stan, you and others are missing the point. The whole problem was not,
and still is not, when we want them.
Eric has agreed that information coming out of Aptos has not been accurate.
We now understand that orders placed May 1 to Dec 4 should be available
by end of Feb.
Fine, no problem.
I don't have the KDVR3 digital voice recorder option so I don't know how
hard that is to install.
Installation will require removal of the front panel assembly in such a
way as to allow removal of the DSP board. The KDVR3 attaches to the DSP
board.
The KRX3 option also requires attaching a
Well, they have 3400 dollars of my money, so what. Why don't you
people act like responsible adults and leave Elecraft to their work.
The only lies that have circulated are by those saying they have
been lied to. Elecraft did'nt lie to anyone. A lie is something you tell if
you
Thank you for that honest assessment. That is just what we are looking for.
So orders placed between 1st May (the current shipment period) and Dec
4th should be shipped by late Feb 2008. In which case that is all we
need to know.
Like I said, honesty first. K3 whenever. I will now wait
K3 #98 is working well. Has anyone found the right settings of Mic Gain
(Hi/Lo?), Comp, VOX Gain, and VOX delay for the Heil HC4 element?
Trying to get on the air for the 10M contest...
Depends on your voice and preferences. Listen to the MON in your
headphones while you mess with MIC and
Arrogant, whining twits...that just hit the nail squarely on the
head. Good rid dents Julian. Maybe we can get some peace and quiet on the
list now.
Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
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I know how you feel, Ed. Mine was ordered in August also. And I've
sold my beautiful Japanese special with all its bells and whistles and
design flaws, so I have no HF radio at all. But it's only a hobby and
I have better things to keep me occupied during the holiday season.
The reason for the
Eric wrote:
we will not let quality supper
Many thanks for the update Eric. Now take a break guy and get something to
eat. You're obviously starving. :o)
Terry, W0FM
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Dave Yarnes wrote:
If you think about other rigs that are out there, it does seem to
take an inordinate amount of time to get them from prototype to
market product. The IC-7000, for example, was shown at Dayton nearly
a year before it actually became available.
Yeah... And they are having
So everyone needs to hook up their Valium drip and take a deep
breath. Things will settle down soon.
Actually, Valium injection is not water soluble, and cannot be given via IV
drip. It must be given via IV push! I get this question all the time!
;-)
Dan Allen, RPh
KB4ZVM
K2 S/N 1757
Gee, I was just looking for an opportunity to send someone mail about this.
Some time ago (jeez, 20 years!) I was involved in the design of a number of
experimental personal workstations at DEC's research labs. On one of them, we
built in a bunch of audio gear to play with the then-novel
Guys,
Please, let's end this thread now. (With respect to criticisms of others
etc.) It is totally inappropriate to directly criticize anyone on this
list (except of course myself and the company. Its always OK to
criticize us. We want to hear it so we can improve our processes here :-)
73,
I think we are all in danger of acting rashly and speaking (typing?) in
haste. I would ask everyone to hold their breath for a moment before hitting
the 'Send' key.
I would say to those who are fed up with posts about K3 deliveries to bear
with us for a while, don't go rushing off the list
The K2 can output a message containing a packet of data that contains
information about what is in the display. The server polls the K2 for
this message, passes it to the client whenever anything in it has
changed, and the client constructs the display from this data.
The data packet could be
K3 #98 is working well. Has anyone found the right settings of Mic
Gain (Hi/Lo?), Comp, VOX Gain, and VOX delay for the Heil HC4 element?
Trying to get on the air for the 10M contest...
73,
Henry - K4TMC
More new
No Jim, it used to be a unique reflector. Now it's just a sounding
board for cry babies that can't have their toys when they want them.
Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
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Sent: Friday,
Misery and complaints are neither appreciated on the
Elecraft wikis. I'm sure Don meant to take all misery
and complaints to the Ten Tec wiki. ;-)
-
W3FPR Don wrote:
But then, I know, there are folks who want to share
their misery and complaints with everyone else. May I
Ed,
Of course you're gonna limit yourself to the same price range
as the K3 you had ordered in your shopping . a classic
shoot yourself in the foot move ... sad.
Regardless of the money you spend you still won't own the
unquestioned best.
I had an FT-1000D, an FT-990 and an IC-756 PRO
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