Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-07-19 Thread Steve KC8QVO
d in addition to 20, 30, and 40 I've also had > success on 17M.. > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Graham" <n0nuf2@> > To: <elecraft@.qth> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:15 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 A

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-28 Thread Michael Babineau
PM EDT >To: Gary Marklund >Cc: Scott Graham , "" > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU >Reply-To: d...@w3fpr.com >Gary and all, >That length is close to the W3EDP antenna length - as I recall, it is 86 feet >for the radiator an

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-28 Thread Mike Markowski
Thanks, Mike. I noticed Jack VE3EED made his calculations using the band center. Out of curiosity I just write a little C program that uses band edges and converts them to half wavelengths. I plotted the overlapping "red zones" and, if I didn't make a mistake, came up with slightly different saf

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
Gary Marklund wrote: > I think it was Eric who wrote a bit ago that an 84 foot wire could > be matched on 160 to 10 meters. At Field Day, just playing around, we used the KXAT3 to match a 20- meter 2-element beam (fed with coax) on 80-6 meters. Not efficient on any bands but 30/20/17, but ni

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Gary Marklund
Thanks, Don. I have a 400' reel of The Wireman's #543 to cut up, so this looks like a good place to start. Should be east to launch as well. 73 Gary KJ7RT Sent from my iPad On Jun 27, 2012, at 17:07, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Gary and all, > > That length is close to the W3EDP antenna length - as

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Tony Estep
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Scott Graham wrote: > ...an excellent design for a "random wire"...? > === Scott, for years my main shack antenna was a wire running out the window to a tree in my yard, a total of 200 feet. It is fed by a unun which in turn is fed by about 25' of coax. The u

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gary and all, That length is close to the W3EDP antenna length - as I recall, it is 86 feet for the radiator and 17 feet for the counterpoise wire. 80 through 10 meters is good, and the KX3 tuner will match it easily. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/27/2012 7:33 PM, Gary Marklund wrote: > I think it was Er

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/27/2012 4:33 PM, Gary Marklund wrote: > will I need a separate Counterpoise for each of these bands? No, but in general, more is better, and it's better if it's not laying on the ground. It simply becomes the other half of the antenna that you're loading -- think of it as providing a ret

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Gary Marklund
> > A Google search for random length antenna will reveal many other sources of > information. > > 73 - Mike WA8BXN > > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Scott Graham > Date: 6/27/2012 3:28:52 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Mike WA8BXN
Hi Scott, Any indoor (or laying on the roof) antenna is going to pick up lots of noise from all the electrical stuff in the house. What you want to do will have a unique solution depending on just what your physical environment is, so what has worked for someone else may or may not work well for

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Willis
Scott, if you want the magic antenna that is easy to build, easy to install and cheap, give up now. Any conductor will radiate to some extent and the excellent antenna tuner in the K3 will load almost anything but there are reasons why contesters buy acres of land and spend tens of thousand or

[Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Scott Graham
Thanks everyone for setting me straight... In this case, 'random' truly means random... In the 10 years I have been away from Ham Radio I have become, well, less than fluent with antennas. hihi. So, using the K3/100 with the built in AT, how would you construct an antenna using a short piece of co

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Mike WA8BXN
tenna will reveal many other sources of information. 73 - Mike WA8BXN ---Original Message--- From: Scott Graham Date: 6/27/2012 3:28:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU Hello everyone. I've seen a lot

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Don Butler
ssage - From: "Scott Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU > Hello everyone. > > I've seen a lot of traffic on the "random wire" topic. Does anyone > have a link to a website or a

[Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread Scott Graham
Hello everyone. I've seen a lot of traffic on the "random wire" topic. Does anyone have a link to a website or an excellent design for a "random wire" that will at least do all bands 40m up (40-10)? Please drop me an email if you have any information on a good wire design. Thanks, Scott - n0nuf _

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-27 Thread W4ATK
I would be in real trouble if I could not use wire antennas. All of my antennas are in my attic. They consist of a full wave 40M loop fed thru the little Elecraft balun via a short run of 450 ohm ladder line, a 65' marconi (end fed "random" wire) in an "inverted U" configuration fed thru

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-26 Thread Wayne Burdick
> its ATU. > > 73, > Phil, NS7P > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:09 PM > To: Jeff Herr > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Su

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-26 Thread Phillip Shepard
for many reasons, including its ATU. 73, Phil, NS7P -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 9:09 PM To: Jeff Herr Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] &qu

Re: [Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-26 Thread Wayne Burdick
Jeff, The KXAT3 has a very wide tuning range and is specifically designed for use with random-length antennas. Typically any wire longer than 20' or so can be tuned up on 40-6 meters. A 74-foot antenna will probably be tunable to reasonable SWR on 160-6. A random wire antenna can work very

[Elecraft] "random wire" and the KX3 ATU

2012-06-26 Thread Jeff Herr
I know folks who have had bad experiences using a "random" wire with an ATU. Although I ordered a buddipole with the kx3 I still am interested in getting A 74 foot length of wire up in the pine trees (I will have a counterpoise) while up in the Lassen national forest.we go there a lot. When