Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Edward R Cole
Read: http://www.comportco.com/~w5alt/cw/cwindex.php?pg=5 "CW Bandwidth" by W5ALT seems everyone in this debate has some valid points. I found this by searching on "CW bandwidth". 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Thread has been ended. Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 3/30/2016 9:01 AM, Jim Brown wrote: Guy has it exactly right. 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,3/30/2016 8:18 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: If the rise and fall data curves used for "keying" vary their "sharpness" according to speed, then the

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Jim Brown
Guy has it exactly right. 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,3/30/2016 8:18 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: If the rise and fall data curves used for "keying" vary their "sharpness" according to speed, then the description bandwidth increases by speed certainly does apply. But if not, the bandwidth is governed

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Let's end this thread at this time in the interest of relieving other readers from overload. If you feel compelled to continue the CW b/w discussion, please take it to private email. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/30/2016 8:18 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: One could discourse all day on what

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
One could discourse all day on what "proper" is in this context without ever a precise consensus among educated gentlemen. At some point of "ugly" we would all agree that anything that sounds like that is improper. When the only stateful levels were strictly on and off, and the rise and fall

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Igor Sokolov
aft@mailman.qth.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?) Unfortunately the guys who wrote the rules failed to understand the physics and the math. They were WRONG, and it is a misconception und

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 3/30/2016 12:21 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Unfortunately the guys who wrote the rules failed to understand the > physics and the math. No Jim, you are wrong here. CW is a carrier modulated by a digital (on/off keyed) signal of a given (baud) rate. That keying will generate sidebands +/- the

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-29 Thread Jim Brown
Unfortunately the guys who wrote the rules failed to understand the physics and the math. They were WRONG, and it is a misconception under which we have been laboring for as long as I've been a ham. It was Henry Ott who woke me up to this when I took his 3-day class on EMC around 2003-4. Henry

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
>> On 3/29/2016 10:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: WRONG! CW speed has NOTHING to do with bandwidth, which is determined by RISE and FALL times of the keying waveform and distortion in the RF stages. The standard word "paris" has 48 elements. That makes the baud rate for CW (48/60) x WPM or 0.80 x

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-29 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue,3/29/2016 11:28 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: On 3/29/2016 10:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote: WRONG! CW speed has NOTHING to do with bandwidth, which is determined by RISE and FALL times of the keying waveform and distortion in the RF stages. So, I can occupy zero bandwidth at 10,000 wpm CW

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-29 Thread Jim Brown
On Tue,3/29/2016 10:13 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: CW actually has bandwidth though at 5wpm probably not measurable WRONG! CW speed has NOTHING to do with bandwidth, which is determined by RISE and FALL times of the keying waveform and distortion in the RF stages. I strongly agree that

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-29 Thread Edward R Cole
I thought the best way to drive an amplifier was to increase drive until output no longer increased proportional to input; eg output increases 3-dB with an 3-dB increase in drive is linear. Isn't the point the increase drops 1-dB the upper limit? That is how I determine best drive level on

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-29 Thread Alan Geller via Elecraft
I have a THP HL-1.2KFX that I used before the acquisition of my K3. It is a reliable and resilient amp and I have had the ALC connected to the K3 for a year. However I tend to take Don Wilhelms advice and there have been times when the ALC and SWR inputs to the AMP’s logic seem to fight each

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
John, I don't know what other folks do, and I don't have an amplifier, BUT --- Using amplifier ALC is a good way to create splatter on the bands, so it should not be used if you are to present a clean signal. ALC can be used as a crude means of power control - the amplifier is overdriven, so

[Elecraft] [K3] Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.2KFX amp interfacing (to ALC or not to ALC?)

2016-03-28 Thread John Shadle
I'm considering adding a THP HL-1.2KFX solid state amp to the K3S station I have, and was wondering how others have done this. There seems to be conflicting info on the "right way" to do things. 1. The THP manual states that ALC should be used to control the amp, but 2. Elecraft support (and