Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-06 Thread Zac Brown
After spending some time modeling my antenna in EZNEC and then running some calculations in TWL, I added 30 ft to the feedline. That brings the total feedline length up to 90 ft. So far, the KAT2 seems to be able to tune all bands very quickly with the BL2 set to the 1:1 position. Thanks for

RE: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Geoff, GM4ESD, makes some excellent observations about using other types of multi-wire line to maintain low resistive losses and to provide a lower-impedance line when needed. Jack Bindle took me to task, quite appropriately, about one statement in my first comments in this thread in a private

[Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Zac Brown
Fellow Elecrafters, I am putting up a 135 ft flat-top at my QTH. I'll be feeding it with about 60 ft. of 450 ohm ladder line, connecting the feedline to the BL2, and tuning it with the KAT2. I was wondering if anyone on the list has tried this arrangement and could comment on whether the

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Larry Phipps
I have a 135' OCF (Off Center Fed) dipole which is coax fed with a 6:1 balun at the feedpoint, and it works on all bands from 80-10 except 15 with my K2/KAT2. Performance seems very good an all bands except 30m, where it's just OK. Larry N8LP Karl Larsen wrote: Zac Brown wrote: Fellow

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Stephen W. Kercel
Zac: I'm guessing that the configuration that you propose could run you into all sorts of trouble on 80 M. The problem is that the 135 ft flat top would have low impedance, about 50 Ohms. The transmission line is disturbingly close to a quarter wavelength. A 450 Ohm line with an exact

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Zac Brown
Steve, The feedline is actually 65 ft long. It happened to be the perfect length from the antenna to my radio, but I could add some more line in the middle if needed. I'd just have to make the feedline take a less direct path through the attic. What would you suggest as a good feedline

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Perhaps Elecraft might like to consider adding an 'old fashioned' type of balanced antenna tuner to their product range, with a balun at the transmitter connection, to make it easier to match some types of antenna system to the transmitter? One that could be used outside and be remotely

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Zac Brown
So what's the best way to add some more line to the middle of my feedline? Is there a technique for joining two pieces of 450 ohm ladder line that doesn't create an imbalance in the line? Can I just leave one leg straight and then wrap the corresponding leg (on the other piece) other around

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Karl Larsen
I'm sorry but I need to add this before Zac Brown does something real stupid. When using 450 ohm feed line you must use this EXACT length. The exact length is that which goes from the antenna to the balun in your shack. Any talk about matching the 450 ohms is not correct. The feed line

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Stuart Rohre
If you want to splice balanced line, you can do a simple splice with two wire nuts of both the same size. That theoretically, would affect each side of the line the same and preserve balance. Your tuner takes care of that and any other bumps'' even the mixing of 300 ohm and 450 ohm line to

RE: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Zac, Why guess? You can find the antenna feedpoint impedance for various bands on L B Cebik's website (at least it used to be there) www.cebik.com . Armed with that information along with the known length of your feedline, use TLW which you can download from the ARRL website

Re: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Doc, I was thinking of the link coupled parallel or series tuned type of coupler which was at one time known as an Antenna Matching Unit before the name Antenna Tuner became the norm. The Johnson Matchbox was an example, and such 'tuners' can convert a considerable range of impedances as

RE: [Elecraft] 135ft flat-top with K2, KAT2, BL2, and 450 ohm feedline

2006-10-01 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Jack makes excellent points. I would like to elaborate on one comment he made: ...open-wire feed. There we don't care about the mismatch since the feedline loss is microscopic. The RF currents balance themselves out so that the feedline doesn't radiate. But we then need a decent tuner to