Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Morgan Bailey
When you buy RA6LBS filters each comes with a tracing by a spectrum analyzer showing the exact filter characteristics. On each of these that I own the tracing matches the Rigol with tracking generator. They really work well. I have a complete set of 500 watt filters from RA6LBS. They are sold by DX

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/27/2021 12:53 PM, Morgan Bailey wrote: 80 to 100 dB band to band attenuation is necessary for a contest station. That depends a LOT on the radios and the amps. Reviewing Contest University the RA6LBS talk from a few years ago is the basis for this decision. He probably has the most exper

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Paul GACEK via Elecraft
David I purchased blank PCBs from VA6AM along with the torroids with a view to building a switched filter set. Still on my list of “want to do” and my motivation was driven by space reduction in my portable SO2R project. However I’ve somewhat learnt the hard way to be honest with myself upfron

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft
Thanks all for the great advice and the further reading. In my specific case of K3S + KPA500 + KAT500, is there no room to reduce the high performance W3NQM filters? I understand common mode filters and have made good versions of these from K9YC cookbook. They remain in circuit all the time, s

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Dave
Bird makes a very good bandpass filter for the SDR radio you are speaking of... It gets rid of ALL phase noise on all bands at once. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Morgan Bailey
80 to 100 dB band to band attenuation is necessary for a contest station. Reviewing Contest University the RA6LBS talk from a few years ago is the basis for this decision. He probably has the most experience in this field beside that of VA6AM. Both make great filters. Just having a filter is not en

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Bill Steffey NY9H
well said at field day  that famous SDR, very reasonably priced, abundant with features DID INDEED SPREAD wide band noise ..it was on 10 and wiped out all thru 80 meters on three other radios  of various makes. ( mine was a k3) ... maybe all we needed was to have bandpass filters for THA

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread David Hachadorian
You need a filter on the TX radio to prevent its phase noise from being heard on other bands.  Just pressing PTT on the TX radio, even without putting out any measurable power, will raise the noise floor on multiple bands. With suitable band decoders driving filter selection, fast-switching bet

[Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Michael Carter
David, One need not have a "feeling" about the necessity of band pass filters. In addition to the concerns that Paul cited about isolation between ports in a triplexer or internal antenna port isolation in a transceiver, there are analytical methods to determine susceptibility to receiver damage

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft
Hi Paul Thanks for those thoughts. I see your point re sharing a tri-bander and that looks like a severe case. Looking at the number of filters already in place and the low spurii expected of Elecraft gear, it looks worth considering to down-grade the extra filters. For instance, the KPA amp

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread Paul GACEK via Elecraft
Hi David I think any answer is dependent on the station configuration. For example, if the M/2 station is sharing a single tribander (i.e. one on 20m and another on 15m) then I imagine filters are still essential as a tri-plexer will only provide so much isolation. Another example; If a less

[Elecraft] Band pass filters

2021-07-27 Thread CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft
Given the improved performance of modern transceivers, is there still a call for high specification W3NQN band pass filters in a 2-transmitter station? For example on a Multi-2 contest environment. For instance K3S + KPA + KAT. The filter fitted between radio and amplifier. I have the *feeli

Re: [Elecraft] Band Pass Filters for QRP

2011-10-27 Thread Fred Jensen
Jack, 20-30 feet separation puts your antennas in each others' near fields, and they become coupled together [i.e. you're trying to receive on conductors that are actually parasitically part of your partner's transmit antenna]. Invest in a roll of coax and get them at least a couple of wavele

Re: [Elecraft] Band Pass Filters for QRP

2011-10-27 Thread David Gilbert
W3NQN wrote a nice series of articles for QST on bandpass filters, a couple of which were targeted specifically for QRP operations during Field Day. The design I liked uses a band reject element at the next harmonic frequency. You can make your own filters from those articles, and they are

Re: [Elecraft] Band Pass Filters for QRP

2011-10-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Once very simple solution that will provide more than 30 dB attenuation of the undesired signal is a coax stub. It's just a length of coax connected to the main transmission line with a "T" connector that is cut to the proper length to attenuate the signal from the other station. And, yes, you can

[Elecraft] Band Pass Filters for QRP

2011-10-27 Thread Jack Nelson
Good afternoon all. I have a question and would appreciate everyone's thoughts. I've started trying to get to the field with a buddy of mine. We take a popup camper and have a day or two operating event. We keep running into a problem if we both decide to set up stations. We are generally using

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters, was ICE

2011-04-28 Thread Jim Brown
> Ok, so I was talking about SHARP bandpass filters. Most of us are only interested in what we can build or buy at reasonable cost (not for a Pentagon budget). What you're suggesting MUST be used at the output of a transmitter to reduce phase noise from the TX, so it would VERY difficult to bu

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters, was ICE

2011-04-28 Thread Alan Bloom
It is much harder to design a bandpass filter narrow enough to pass the CW portion of a band while blocking the phone band or vice versa. But it is not impossible. Several decades ago the Murphy's Marauders contest club had some giant helical resonators that could do the job. As I recall the 20 m

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters, was ICE

2011-04-28 Thread Rick Stealey
> This is NOT correct. Bandpass filters are just that -- they PASS the > entire ham band, and only STOP signals outside the band. > > W2VJN has published the design for a few multi-stub filters that ARE > sharp enough to cut off between phone and CW on relatively wide bands > like 160M, 80M, and

Re: [Elecraft] Band pass filters, was ICE

2011-04-28 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/28/2011 11:39 AM, Rick Stealey wrote: > Actually one of the main reasons the filters are used is in DXpedition > or FD setups to restrict the phase noise you transmit to your (phone or > cw) part of the band so there can be other stations operating on the > same band. So you are protecting th

[Elecraft] Band pass filters, was ICE

2011-04-28 Thread Rick Stealey
> > * Whose radio am I protecting, mine or the other guy's? > Your radio Actually one of the main reasons the filters are used is in DXpedition or FD setups to restrict the phase noise you transmit to your (phone or cw) part of the band so there can be other stations operating on the same

Re: [Elecraft] Band Pass Filters

2006-06-28 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Julius N2WN wrote: I'm looking to modify a MFJ-1025 (ala W8JI) and need to build a couple bandpass filters. My first thought is to "steal" the filter from the 160M Elecraft board, heck it works great. I do not have the parts for that on hand. I do have the parts for the filter in the KPA. Other

[Elecraft] Band Pass Filters

2006-06-28 Thread J F
I'm looking to modify a MFJ-1025 (ala W8JI) and need to build a couple bandpass filters. My first thought is to "steal" the filter from the 160M Elecraft board, heck it works great. I do not have the parts for that on hand. I do have the parts for the filter in the KPA. Other than power handling,