Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-21 Thread N4OI - Ken
Wow -- I kind of touched a nerve with the big boy reference! I recall this term was used by Dave Benson in some of his SWL kit documentation. It merely referred the reader to a stripped-down section of the instructions if one wanted to bypass the lengthy, step-by-step narrative... My point is

[Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never

2014-07-21 Thread riese-k3djc
while this string is open I have used a small Iron and tweezers to position chip caps/resistors tack one end and then do the other end,,, I use some liquid rosin the multi lead devices make sure leads are centered on the board then tack one pin,,, solder the rest and use solder wick to clean up

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Wheeler
I don't think it's a matter of technique, Bob. I have all the right equipment (the special tweezers, solder paste - in the fridge, a hot plate, a heat gun). And I will do small, simple boards -- which even a 4-band K1 would not be. My problem is knowing that an ill timed sneeze can cause a

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-21 Thread hwschulte
Am 21.07.2014 14:40, schrieb N4OI - Ken: Wow -- I kind of touched a nerve with the big boy reference! I recall this term was used by Dave Benson in some of his SWL kit documentation. It merely referred the reader to a stripped-down section of the instructions if one wanted to bypass the

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-21 Thread Wayne Burdick
Simple SMD kits are fine because the success rate can be high and the investment risk on the part of both the customer and the manufacturer is low. We may offer such kits in the future, though we don't have any present plans for these. The percentage of builders who could complete a complex

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-21 Thread hwschulte
Hi all, as I started that idea with the SMT components, I will try to moderate a little bit. I am over sixty and so I know the problems with needs of special glasses to handle the SMT components down at 603 or 402 ( 1 x 0.5mm). So my idea is, not designing without SMT, but for those who like

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Mike Morrow
... perhaps it is time for Elecraft to start offering some big boy kits that make full use of SMTs and other modern components. Some would likely take exception to that strong implication that one is not a big boy (whatever that means) if one rejects significant SMT hand application. I've

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Jim Lowman
I have to agree with Mike, especially with the assertion about SMT components being intended for robotic assembly. Imagine all of the troubleshooting calls and e-mails that Elecraft would get if Joe Ham had to populate circuit boards with these miniature components. Too much room for error.

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Bruce Beford
While I understand this mindset; I for one, am grateful that there are SMT-based kits available. I enjoy building both thru-hole and SMT based projects. In many cases, thru hole equivalents are not available for some components. I have built many all-SMT projects, notably those offered by KD1JV,ad

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Russell Conner
Support your local maker space, they will likely have the gear and knowledge to do SMT… and probably a bunch of young guys that have never seen HAM before or know the potential. On Jul 20, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Jim Lowman jmlow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have to agree with Mike, especially with

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Jim Lowman
More power to you and others who have the patience, equipment and eyesight/hand coordination to work with SMT devices, Bruce. I think what many of us are saying, is that type of construction is not for everyone. I have a nice Weller soldering station and a variety of tips for it, as well as

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Matt Maguire
My first experience with SMT was building a softrock multiband receiver kit. It is a hybrid through hole/SMT kit, with few different types of SMT devices. I really enjoyed building it, and learned a lot from it, and would recommend it to anyone wanting to dip their toe in the water, so to speak.

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Bruce Beford
I build all my SMT projects with my 30+ year old Weller WTCPT iron, and an Optivisor. Have been for years now. Bruce/N1RX Jim/ AD6CW wrote:More power to you and others who have the patience, equipment and eyesight/hand coordination to work with SMT devices, Bruce. I think what many of us are

Re: [Elecraft] K1-4 4 band version gone? (Hand SMT---Never)

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Wheeler
Oh yes, that! I didn't think of it as SMT because it has four leads. Took me a while to figure out how to orient it, though. I sneezed and almost lost that critter. And I have two spares -- so mine is likely to last forever. Phil W7OX On 7/20/14, 5:30 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: