Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-04 Thread n5ge
There are many deisel mechanics who are missing fingers because they didn't take rings off while working on 12 volt electrical systems on trucks with paralleled bateries. Tom N5GE On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 15:25:25 -0700, "Ron D'Eau Claire" wrote: >In the 24 volt aircraft systems I worked with power

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
There were rules when I worked in the big 24 volt power supply cave underneath the AT&T building at 13th & G in Washington DC. No rings, no watches, nothing hanging on your neck, no tools that were not wrapped, etc. Long sleeve shirts out in the locker. I always brought tee shirt to work in ther

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
In the 24 volt aircraft systems I worked with power was typically routed into the cockpit via 1/2" diameter copper rods that ran along behind the breaker panels. Breakers for each circuit were tapped into the rod with threaded holes and screw. That's what it takes to avoid excessive I^2R losses f

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-04 Thread Edward R. Cole
craft] Local Noise Problem To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <4d98b6ce.8060...@audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/3/2011 10:12 AM, AB8XA wrote: > The sub-panel will also have a 30 amp circuit to my "shack," feeding a 24 V

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-04 Thread David Cutter
Hi Joe Over here I've noticed that whenever "wiring" of any kind is to be installed, businesses and domestics that I've heard about always employ qualified electricians. The wiring itself may not need a qualified electrician but how it is routed and juxtaposed with mains, particularly when 3-

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread David Cutter
I'm quite happy with my wish. I've seen led clusters in a MR16 package deliver the equivalent light to a 43W incandescent for a consumption of 3.6W: that's 300mA at 12V. Our rooms over here are probably smaller than yours, Jim, but I might have 4 ceiling-mounted units to give me a nice light

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread ab2tc
Hi, Clearly, a switch to 12 or 24VDC power distribution in homes is not going to happen for all the reasons given by K9YC, Jim. Even in cars there is a move to higher voltage, such as 36VDC. We are stuck with switchers for conversion to the lower voltages required by many devices and they *can* be

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/3/2011 10:12 AM, AB8XA wrote: > The sub-panel will also have a 30 amp circuit to my "shack," feeding a 24 VDC > to 13.8 VDC converter for full nominal voltage to our 100 watt rig. There are > many advantages to 24 VDC over 12 VDC in residential use. Yes, BUT -- that 24VDC to 12VDC converter

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread AB8XA
Forgive me for participating in this OT thread fork, but my next house will have a code-approved sub-panel for overhead and sconce lighting that I'll pull off 120 VAC after inspection and feed with eight series-parallel 6V golf cart batteries for nominal 24 VDC. The overhead boxes will each be f

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/3/2011 3:24 AM, David Cutter wrote: > I'm looking forward to a time when all domestic lighting can be run > from a 12V supply at the main switchboard. Be careful what you wish for. A major advantage of higher voltage distribution is that copper losses are much less, and much smaller coppe

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> If governments can ban incandescent light bulbs to save energy, then > why not change the building regs to encompass new lighting systems > when they come into mass use. One might beget the other. Quite simply because their IBEW (electricians union) clients will not allow it. Low voltage wirin

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-03 Thread David Cutter
I'm looking forward to a time when all domestic lighting can be run from a 12V supply at the main switchboard. With led lights progressing as they are, I can see no reason for continuing to build houses with high voltage ac for lighting. The wiring will be cheaper and safer and hopefully that

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-02 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/2/2011 1:07 PM, Jim McCook wrote: > You may have the answer to the problem! Your electricians should be happy with one of the small 1A line filters, Corcom, Delta, or equiv. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailma

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-02 Thread Jim McCook
Jim, Thanks for those suggestions! It never occurred to me to decouple the transformers from the AC line. In other words, disconnect the antenna from the monster. I'm told that many of these little switchers have toroids or little transformers in them that are pretty effective with noise su

Re: [Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-02 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/2/2011 6:21 AM, Jim McCook wrote: > There is a very serious problem with the local noise source from low > voltage lighting systems. These are sold as pendants, single lights, or > multiple lights on a support, such as a bar. The retailer supplies them > with a choice of two types of transfo

[Elecraft] Local Noise Problem

2011-04-02 Thread Jim McCook
There is a very serious problem with the local noise source from low voltage lighting systems. These are sold as pendants, single lights, or multiple lights on a support, such as a bar. The retailer supplies them with a choice of two types of transformers, either a regular magnetic type (non