Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-05-01 Thread Andy Durbin
I don't think anyone was proposing taking on a new cooling design for the KPA500. The heat sink is there. The conduction path between the finals and the heat sink is what it is. The fan is selected and the fan speed temperatures are defined. The only speculation is whether the flow

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-05-01 Thread Christopher Hoover
bad engrish there. it "will be" not "should be"73 On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:08 PM Christopher Hoover wrote: > I think we're getting far off the topic of Elecraft > > > The operating point for forced air cooling of a system should be the point > where the fan curve intercepts the

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-05-01 Thread Christopher Hoover
I think we're getting far off the topic of Elecraft The operating point for forced air cooling of a system should be the point where the fan curve intercepts the system resistance curve. The fan curve comes from the fan vendor. The system resistance is measured on a flow bench in the lab,

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-05-01 Thread Edward R Cole
My comment NOT about Elecraft cooling design, but: I am finding a lot of amplifier designs place fans to exhaust heated air with cool air being drawn into the heat sink by the partial vacuum created by the fans. My 6m converted Harris ch.2 TV linear is set up this way (amp has openings in

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Clay Autery
With a little searching online, you can find ultra-fine dust screens that do not reduce volume too much that are also very thin, and can be temp mounted on the intake vents without radically injuring the aesthetics. IF you care less about aesthetics and more about performance, I can

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Clay Autery
Wayne is correct  (of course).  Thermal performance VERY often runs altogether in opposition to intuitive thinking on the application. __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 04/30/20 14:06, Wayne Burdick wrote: For each product, we experimented with air flow direction

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Lyn Norstad
: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery I wish you all had included a filter slot... :) 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 4/30/20 12:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > For e

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Dave Cole
I wish you all had included a filter slot... :) 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 4/30/20 12:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: For each product, we experimented with air flow

Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Wayne Burdick
For each product, we experimented with air flow direction and many other variables. The current configurations produced the fastest and most consistent cooling. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Apr 30, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > "Why does the KPA500 suck air from the top vents and blow it

[Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Andy Durbin
"Why does the KPA500 suck air from the top vents and blow it out the back" I asked quite a while ago what thermal analysis had been performed on the KPA500 and got no answer here. It would seem reasonable for the fan to augment natural convection rather than oppose it. Kenwood built a batch

[Elecraft] OT: The Great KPA Fan Mystery

2020-04-30 Thread Eric Norris
Why does the KPA500 suck air from the top vents and blow it out the back, and the KPA1500 sucks air from the back and blows it out the top vents? Was there a coup in Elecraft engineering? Will future Elecraftologists be looking for overwritten cartouches on the fan control boards? And who,