Least we leave out the most important suffix--
/E8172 - I own Elecraft radio serial number 08172
Now the thread is compliant as well... It is still about Elecraft things!
On 07/27/2017 10:31 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Common non-compliant indicators are:
>
> /M - I'm a mobile. All the M's belon
No, it is not illegal or non-compliant in the USand never has been.
47CFR97 permits *any* self-assigned indicator(s)beforeor after the call
sign, or both, *except* an indicator that duplicates an FCC assigned
indicator [AG, AA, AE, KT], or any indicator that duplicates an
ITU-assigned prefix.
A variation of this concern Stateside is the matter of putting country
abbreviations on callsigns within State QSO Parties for mobile and
expeditionary/rover operations. I have done that for many years as an
expeditionary station in the Virginia QSO Party, and it helps for stations
to know you hav
On Thu 27 Jul j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries.
Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification
requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation.
For example:
In the UK the licence says that operators "ma
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Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call. Don't do
y 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:16 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. You ar
craft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call. Don't do it.
Until this thread I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some
countries. I never log stations this way and I typically come back to a
station calling me by just sending just their callsign. I have had many
stations "correct" me, adding the /QRP. Operating with 5 watts can be a
fun challeng
elm
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:25 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I recall my first contact after getting my KX3. It was on SSB. I did not
indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other operator
said "I cannot believe you a
I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of time
and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the QRP guys
are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call. Don't
do it.
Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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I told you this thread would go on forever...
73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net
On 07/26/2017 06:20 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
Bwah! My favorite!
Can we please let this thread die?
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
>
ThenWHY are YOU pursuing it ???
73 Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "
Yep, and that is what I do too.
73, Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:31 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
t, I'm still at 5 watts.
Like most things, perception an preconceived opinions are EVERYTHING!
73 Ron AC7AC
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: N
Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank
my output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to
make the contact.
73,
Drew
AF2Z
On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
I vie
Bwah! My favorite!
Can we please let this thread die?
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On 7/26/2017 7:49 PM, John AE5X wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> K0PP
>
>I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>
>73
>
>K0PP
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1 Cup of This (Before Bed) Wi
Like signing emails with list of clubs they belong to, awards and all the
Elecraft equipment with serial numbers.
Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just
BTW how do we know you're in Africa.
Yes, you tweaked a button!
Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil wrote:
>
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs
> stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP. My view w
I always answer such stations because there is a greater chance that they'll
have an interesting rig. Maybe built from a kit, maybe nothing more than a few
components stuffed onto a board "Manhattan" style. Or they may be operating
from a tent or mountaintop.
I've responded to these stations an
It's not your job to verify there power setting. If he signs /QRP while running
he's 1.5 KW amp, that's between him and his conscience.
If you don't record the /QRP you don't have his call correct.
When's the last time you asked for a copy of abcontacts license before sending
a QSL card?
S
I recall my first contact after getting my KX3. It was on SSB. I did
not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other
operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."
So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what
counts.
It all d
27;Elecraft'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Hello,
I operate QRP 99% of the time.
I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.
73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner
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But what will the QRO guys that calls /QRP do if this is disallowed?
73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net
On 07/26/2017 04:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU
“Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amat
I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU
“Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition.
Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my
Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m
I respectfully disagree. Why do you think people adding /QRP
want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't
sense that at all.
It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It
doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my
Mike,
Just as we all should. Regulations are such. Who really cares the power; it's
the contact. I love <100 mw when it works. I usually don't bother with the
suffix unless it is meaningful and I can claim it once contact is made and is
solid.
73,
Bill
K9YEQ
-Original Message-
...
Work 'em, Log 'em, move on ...
It's a hobby ...
-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
>> wa
[elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>
>> I view it as an invitation or
On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
>
I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
there. Different, sure, but it's e
ator as long as I get the q in the
>>>> log.
>>>>
>>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit t
was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>>
>>>> ~C./WM
>>>> ___
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on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
73,
Kev K4VD
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at
t that bill.
~C./WM
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QR
boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
73
K0PP
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My sentiments exactly. Thank you!
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On 7/26/2017 2:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see h
Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>
>> ~C./WM
>>
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July
id would not fit that bill.
>
> ~C./WM
>
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
> To: Ken G Kopp
> Cc: E
During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate
QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP. My view was
that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack.
Only they could do that. I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP
although i
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on
behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I view it as an invitation or a ch
I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
73,
Kev K4VD
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> respond.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
73
K0PP
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, W2AGN wrote:
I wonder where one finds information about the K3 and K2, etc? Maybe on the
"Bird-watchers" list?
I believe that, and other technical matters, can be found on OT-LIST
Thom,EIEIO
Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer
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> Yes. And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year. To celebrate
> FISTS is offering the 20/20 award.
Too bad there don't seem to be many (active) FISTS west of the Rockies.
In these times of poor condx, I feel lucky to have finally amassed
100 "points" while running QRP (all I've got)...
Well, I must have missed the memo. I thought this was the "Elecraft" list. But
for the past couple weeks, it appears to be a general discussion list. I though
the various and sundry "QRP-L" lists were more for that. Of course, I note a lot
of cross-posting, so I guess folks like to see their words
day, June 12, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ
DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP" ;-)
Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the
I respectfully disagree with the argument that folks
with "small" signals are QRP or that running more
power makes you less likely to ragchew on CW.
I know many QRPers who have significant antenna
systems and many 100 watters that have piss poor
antennas.
You can argue that folks who operate arou
Sandy
Mostly W5TVW/QRP
- Original Message - From: "Ron D'Eau Claire"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX
W3XYZ W3XYZ
when running 5
watters, then finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459
is running 100 watts!
72/72,
Sandy
Mostly W5TVW/QRP
- Original Message -
From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE:
Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call "W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ
DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP" ;-)
Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first.
As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. D
Ron & all,
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests
> will never stop signing /QRP...
I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP. As a result, I use a combination. I generally call by txi
I suspect John, GM4SLV, and Steve AA4AK are quite right about many responses
to those signing /QRP.
I always perk up when I hear /QRP because it promises to be an unusually
interesting contact. When I call CQ on or near a QRP "calling frequency"
such as 7040 or 14060 I use 5 watts or less and sig
Wouldn't the suffix have to be include a number (i.e. /M0 or /R3) to be
confused with a prefix?
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 5:35 am, David Y. wrote:
/particularly "/M," commonly used by mobile stations, a prefix assigned
to the UK, and "/R" commonly used by repeaters, a prefix assigned to
As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing "/QRP" is perfectly
legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for "self-assigned indicators." There is an
interesting gotcha to the rule. The last sentence of the regulation says "No
self-assigned may conflict with any other indicator specified by the F
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:02:21 -0400
"Stephen W. Kercel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing "/QRP" is
> perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for "self-assigned
> indicators." There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last
> sentence of th
Ken and list:
Generally speaking, if I hear a station calling CQ with /QRP, I'll
answer with /QRP. Particularly on domestic QSOs, I'm more interested
in working other QRP stations than high powered stations. Thus, when
I hear "/QRP" I do not hear it as "please take pity," but rather as
"here'
Signing "/QRP" can be viewed as "please take pitty on me" thing.
Hi Ken,
Yes it can, but... I like to hear a guy sign qrp, especially these
days, with poor propagation because... if I hear a fairly weak signal,
and I'm thinking, he's probably running a hundred watts, I won't
bother calling, b
It is much better to sign QRP after they give you a decent RST, it really
annoys them!!
It sort of makes the 229 & no cpy you get after that a little shallow in
meaning.
73
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Signing "/QRP" can be viewed as "please take pitty on me" thing.
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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