[Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Mister Mike
What is the best way to do this? I am not familiar with automatic tuners. TIA, Michael, W1RC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Walter Underwood
A random-length wire is usually chosen to avoid a half-wavelength on the frequencies you’ll be using. A more accurate term is non-resonant end-fed antenna. Avoiding half-wavelengths means the impedance will not be 5000 Ω or greater, but it will be pretty high. Or low. The SWR on the feed line w

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Mike K8CN
Mr. Mike, Be sure you have the KAT3 internal ATU "enabled" and not bypassed, be sure the proper antenna is selected (ANT 1 or ANT 2) for your random wire, and press (momentary) the ATU TUNE button. The relays will clatter a bit, and you'll see the displayed SWR ratcheting down, maybe up for short

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread George Thornton
Of Mister Mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:42 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner?? What is the best way to do this? I am not familiar with automatic tuners. TIA, Michael, W1RC

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Drew AF2Z
Very occasionally the K3 ATU will not find a good match and you may be able to do better by setting the tuning elements yourself. That is the case for my 70' endfed wire on 160m. The ATU will match it on all other bands though. To tune the elements manually select "LC Set" in the Config:KAT3 m

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread donovanf
W3LPL -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mister Mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:42 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner?? What is the best way to do this? I am not

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Mister Mike
ire > > 73 > Frank > W3LPL > > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Mister Mike > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:42 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Walter Underwood
inal Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On >> Behalf Of Mister Mike >> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 9:42 AM >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal >> Tuner?? >> >> What i

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread David Gilbert
A matched conditon does NOT prevent the components of the tuner from seeing high voltages and/or high currents.  Check out TLW ... the transmission line application that comes free with the ARRL Antenna Book.  Pick a load that gives a high SWR and then click on the "Tuner" button for the appl

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread Walter Underwood
Of course there are high voltages or currents in some tuning solutions. Why do people think the Elecraft ATU would not be designed to handle those? wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 12, 2020, at 7:36 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > A matche

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread donovanf
. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Mister Mike" To: donov...@erols.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:04:26 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner?? That is pretty much what I

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-12 Thread David Gilbert
Seriously??  Why do you think that Elecraft's tuners (like just about every other one) have max power ratings that differ depending upon the SWR?  For example, for the KAT500 has a max power rating of 1000 watts into a 3:1 SWR but only a 600 watt rating into a 10:1 SWR???  It can match both S

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-13 Thread Drew AF2Z
The point is that protection is built into the tuner & the firmware to take care of extreme instances. As I recall, one release a few years back stated that it will handle the parting of an antenna wire while transmitting at maximum output. We can assume that a non-resonant antenna is not cause

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-13 Thread Bill Frantz
Regardless of what happens to the tuner, the better the untuned match, the less power you lose in the matching network, and the more power goes out on the air. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/13/20 at 10:02 AM, pu...@af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) wrote: But as someone else has mentioned-- choose an optimal "rando

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-13 Thread Walter Underwood
I think you just proved my point. The KAT3A does not have a lower power rating for larger SWRs. That would indicate that it can handle the rated power over the entire rated SWR range. If extreme SWR at full power would exceed the component ratings, the specs would say that. This is the entire s

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-13 Thread donovanf
age - From: "Walter Underwood" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 6:45:34 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner?? I think you just proved my point. The KAT3A does not have a lower power rating for large

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-13 Thread Grant Youngman
I can’t help but think we’re over-thinking this. I think the original post was regarding ‘portable' operation. When I go portable I don’t carry a large antenna with lots of wire or weight. I usually carry a 41’ (non-resonant) wire with a 9:1 unun rated at 300w watts, and a throwing line and w

Re: [Elecraft] Tuning Random-Length Wire Antenna with K3 Internal Tuner??

2020-12-13 Thread Jim H via Elecraft
I agree on the overthinking. How about the Elecraft AX1 ant?  All you need extra is coax and a tripod. It takes me 10-15 min max to get on the air. The only limitation is no 80, 60 and 10 meters Sorta works on these bands if you play with the whip and use the ATU. YMMV 73Jim Hk7sss.  In a messag