Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-08 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Johnny, Because you like to build, please do not think that SMDs would be too difficult for you to handle. I, and no doubt other people, felt the same concern before starting to use SMDs in homebrew projects. Mounting multipin SMD ICs is not difficult after some practice. Tweezers of the locki

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Phil Hystad
I would say to start with first principles and then Quantum Electrodynamics. Maxwell's equations do not tell you what nature is really doing. phil On Mar 6, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > If you don't start from Maxwell's equations you're just an appliance > operator. ;-) > > jim > __

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Edward R. Cole
imber - is that HB?) 73, Ed -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:29:38 - From: "Doug Turnbull" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 To: "'David Gilbert'" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Alexey, Welcome to the world of SMD. Are you prepared to sit down and solder a 45 pin SMD processor to a board? I'm sorry, but there's just no way for that to happen. ... Michael N6MQL I've replaced many such components in the field with nothing more than some diagonal cutters, a solder suc

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 01:52:09PM -0500 I heard the voice of Jim Miller, and lo! it spake thus: > > If you don't start from Maxwell's equations you're just an appliance > operator. ;-) What, you're using PRE-ASSEMBLED photons?! In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create t

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
That's one of the main reasons I don't have one yet. That and the low sunspot cycle, and taking down my quad off of the roof. :) -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - ht...@twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread The Smiths
in the USA. So, again, welcome to the the world of SMD... Get your screw driver ready, and pray for Mods, because that's all you're ever going to do again Michael N6MQL > Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:30:54 -0800 > From: alexeyk...@gmail.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net &

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Alexey Kats
Thank you all very much for your responses. I got lots of very interesting perspectives on my hobby. I guess I am simply too old-fashioned and don't like pre-assembled SMD boards. Well, back to the drawing board I go... Nevertheless, thank you all, I appreciate it. -- Alexey Kats (neko) ___

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Alexey Kats wrote: >With K1, K2, KX1 I learned a lot from its schematics, I was able to >figure out what went wrong if something went wrong (just to prove to >myself that it was me who was an idiot). From personal experience, the K3 can offer all of that ;-) -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://w

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Pete Smith
2CN > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Miller > Sent: 06 March 2011 18:52 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 > > If yo

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Doug Turnbull
Jim, You have it right. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Miller Sent: 06 March 2011 18:52 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 I

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Rick Stealey
Don't think of it as a kit. Just consider that Elecraft offered you a way to save $200 by doing some of the labor that they would have to do on your part. They built the subassemblies, they incorporated into the design a way to do an automatic alignment (an amazing thing to see in action, by

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Jim Miller
If you don't start from Maxwell's equations you're just an appliance operator. ;-) jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qt

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Doug Turnbull
Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: 06 March 2011 16:38 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 No offense meant (seriously), but I'm no

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alexey Kats Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:31 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 Ladies, gentlemen, and all the other species of

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
David, Each to his own, but here are some of my thoughts on the subject: I have long thought that providing a kit with a board for construction took much of the thrill out of building a project. For that reason I prefer manhatten construction or "ugly" construction for my small projects, it

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread David Gilbert
No offense meant (seriously), but I'm not sure why your definition of "build it yourself" must include soldering, which I perceive as just as mechanical operation as tightening screws. Yes ... it is a different skill requiring dexterity and care, especially in the case of surface mount device

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Wes Stewart
I think you must regress one further stage if you want to claim that you "built" something and that is to also "design" it. What is being discussed here is really "assembly" of parts to make a finished product designed by someone else, with the argument being over how much assembly is left to t

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Alexey Kats
- > *寄件人﹕* Alexey Kats > *收件人﹕* elecraft@mailman.qth.net > *傳送日期﹕* 2011/3/6 (日) 9:30:54 PM > *主題：* [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 > > Ladies, gentlemen, and all the other species of HAM community, > > I apologize for such aggressive and somewhat insulting s

[Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Johnny Siu
寄件人﹕ Alexey Kats 收件人﹕ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期﹕ 2011/3/6 (日) 9:30:54 PM 主題： [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3 Ladies, gentlemen, and all the other species of HAM community, I apologize for such aggressive and somewhat insulting subject of my posting

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Alexey Kats
As you said - to each his own... As long as we recognize the fun of using a radio to be separate form the fun of building a radio we are agreeing with each other. And, also, thank you for reading my words so early in the Sunday mornin... night? On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Gary Gregory wrote

Re: [Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Gary Gregory
*Interesting comment. BUT, I didn't spend my hard earned dollars to 'build' something just for the pleasure of building. I bought my K3 to USE it. Same reason I bought all my previous radios. Building something from scratch is fun and yes you learn a heck of a lot from the experience...to each h

[Elecraft] Why I won't purchase K3

2011-03-06 Thread Alexey Kats
Ladies, gentlemen, and all the other species of HAM community, I apologize for such aggressive and somewhat insulting subject of my posting. But after reading all the "why I purchased Elecraft radio" reasons I felt like chirping in. I like radios, I like to find out what I can do with it. I like