Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-24 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
With no antenna attached do you see 0-3 volt range on the U3 side of R22 on the subRX board as you vary the RF gain from min to max? This would be the far end of the gain process. 73, Guy On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Mike Scott wrote: > Further to the issue that my K3 RF gain on the sub Rx

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-24 Thread Stan Gibbs
Mike Scott-7 wrote: > > To the person who has weird main receiver RF gain action the test I did > could help you determine if it is the Pot. > Thanks, Mike, I'll do the same measurement and see what it tells me. Erratic behavior seems most likely due to a bad pot, but, as Sherlock would say,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-25 Thread Stan Gibbs
Stan Gibbs wrote: > > Thanks, Mike, I'll do the same measurement and see what it tells me. > Erratic behavior seems most likely due to a bad pot, but, as Sherlock > would say, theorizing without data is a capital mistake. > Sherlock was right; it wasn't the pot. The behavior of the voltage on

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-25 Thread ab2tc
Hi, Have you tried to redo the calibration on the erratic subreceiver? It's now been a long time since I did this, but I had to do mine three times before it came out right. The 2 first times I had a dead zone like you do. It's very important to make sure the frequency is spot on as the instructi

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-25 Thread Stan Gibbs
ab2tc wrote: > > Have you tried to redo the calibration on the erratic subreceiver? It's > now been a long time since I did this, but I had to do mine three times > before it came out right. > Hi Knut, Actually, the main RX is the one giving me trouble, not the Sub; that was Mike's issue. I w

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-25 Thread Stan Gibbs
In the process of investigating this further, I tripped over a very nice diagnostic tool: the Config menu's "SW TEST" entry. This option can be set to "SCN ADC" to allow monitoring of the 4 potentiometer inputs to the PIC processor ADCs. This allows one to verify the range and linearity of the pot

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-25 Thread paulb
Hello folks Interesting to note non-linear RF gain control. Same thing here on the main RX. Scn Adc check is spot on. Approx 10o'clock position jumps to % 100. Sub RX is ok. cheers Paul b zl1ajy 3058 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Rf-gain-tracking-m

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Mike
Stan, I dunno if it may be related, but I recently had a dead spot in the RF gain encoder. It was recommended that I do a recal (using 20M) with the XG2 and V1.3.10.15 of the utility. An earlier version had a bug where the settings were not saved. Cured my problem. GL & 73, Mike NF4L > Actu

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Stan Gibbs
paulb wrote: > > Interesting to note non-linear RF gain control. > Same thing here on the main RX. > Nice to know that I'm not the only one seeing this! Thanks, Paul. Here's some more data. Perhaps someone can illuminate us on what it indicates. With my XG2 on 20m, and adjusting the main RF

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Have you done as has been recommended several times during this thread? - use the latest K3 Utility and run the RF Gain Calibration. First do the "set to defaults", and then run the calibration with a signal generator having a controlled output level. Follow the instructions and be certain

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Stan Gibbs
Don Wilhelm-4 wrote: > > Have you done as has been recommended several times during this > thread? - use the latest K3 Utility and run the RF Gain Calibration. > First do the "set to defaults", and then run the calibration with a > signal generator having a controlled output level. Follow

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread hb9brj
After reading all comments, I performed an RF calibration using a -73dBm source and the K3 Utility 1.3.10.15. First run with factory defaults, second run using my signal source. A picture tells more than a lot of numbers: http://home.datacomm.ch/hb9brj/RFgain.jpg X axis = RF gain position angle i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Stan Gibbs
Very nicely done, Markus! Exactly what I observe. - 73, Stan - KR7C -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Rf-gain-tracking-main-vs-sub-tp5668917p5676326.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> Contrary to my earlier statement my K3's main RX does show an RF gain > non-linearity. I certainly don't see any non-linearity here in either the K3 or KRX3. Using your "angle" references (RG/RG$ are the RF Gain values reported by the CAT protocol): --- MAIN -- KRX3

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Stan Gibbs
Joe, I get essentially the same numbers as you show IFF I use the factory default calibration values. If I use my XG2, I get the Markus curve. Maybe my XG2 is defective? There is some unidentified cause for this behavior, since it is both repeatable and reproducible, and I sure would like to u

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Stan, > If I use my XG2, I get the Markus curve. My values are using the XG2 for calibration. > There is some unidentified cause for this behavior, since it > is both repeatable and reproducible, and I sure would like to > understand it. Lyle is apparently trying to duplicate and then find

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-27 Thread Stan Gibbs
Joe, Yes, I've been in touch with Lyle; he is trying to understand this issue and resolve it, for which I am very grateful. Perhaps the solution will illuminate why some observe this behavior and some do not. Where else but Elecraft can one find such truly outstanding support? - 73, Stan -

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-27 Thread Gary
.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:26 AM To: Stan Gibbs Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub) Have you done as has been recommended several times during this thread? - use the latest K3 Utility and run the RF G

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Rf gain tracking (main vs. sub)

2010-10-27 Thread Vic K2VCO
with > them. > 73, > Gary > N6LRV > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:26 AM > To: Stan Gibbs > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net &