Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-07 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:55 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 02:37 AM 6/7/2006, Dave Ketchum wrote: > >> Is this trip necessary? > > > Yes. At least as necessary as any discussion of ideal election methods, > actual election methods, and possible intermediary steps. > >> I claim not, fo

Re: [EM] multi-method combo

2006-06-07 Thread Dave Ketchum
I choke on your collection of methods: Imposing both range and ranked choice demands that the voter consider both methods. It also complicates the ballot and the counting. No point to having both IRV and Condorcet: Usually they will select the same winner. When IRV fails it will off

Re: [EM] A real vote just received

2006-06-07 Thread bql
Yup. http://betterpolls.com/et?vrr=-clist&if=-d&cand=4&seats=1&data=F%3ES%3EP%3DB%0D%0AP%3EB%3EF%3DS%0D%0AS%3EP%3EF%3DB%0D%0AP%3ES%3EF%3DB%0D%0AF%3ES%3EP%3DB%0D%0AF%3DS%3DP%3DB 6 votes is a kinda small sample (5 really, a=b=c=d is pretty much abstention). On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

[EM] A real vote just received

2006-06-07 Thread eric
Just got this via my Condorcet Calculator (http://condorcet.ericgorr.net) and thought others would be interested. All Condorcet methods picked the same winner. All IRV methods picked the same winner. The winners of Condorcet and IRV methods were different. here's the info I got: My book club

[EM] multi-method combo

2006-06-07 Thread Monkey Puzzle
Hey there, you all. I've been off the list for a while. Recently I read The Wisdom of Crowds ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds ), and one thing that struck me is how important it is that when aggregating the opinions of a group, it is crucial that each vote be indepe

[EM] Heitzig's GiniWelfare modified range voting idea

2006-06-07 Thread Warren Smith
several comments about it have been posted in RV http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeVoting/ although there were some errors in some of the earlier comments that were corrected later. NlogN algorithsm were also proposed in the RV posts, although Heitzig's own NlogN algorithm seems simpler than th

Re: [EM] Three Stage Approval Election

2006-06-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:37 AM 6/7/2006, Dave Ketchum wrote: >Is this trip necessary? Yes. At least as necessary as any discussion of ideal election methods, actual election methods, and possible intermediary steps. >I claim not, for it is not up to competing with Condorcet - or even IRV, >which usually gets the r

[EM] RE : Question about a criterion for ballot counting

2006-06-07 Thread Kevin Venzke
Alex, --- Alex Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Kevin- > > I have looked at one or two of Woodall's papers. Do you have a > reference for that "continuous" criterion? It's not quite what I'm > looking for, but it's close. Unfortunately I don't see it prior to the 2003 draft article "

Re: [EM] An example of BTR-STV

2006-06-07 Thread raphfrk
Anthony O'Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (This is the election I pulled out of the Wikipedia article for CPO-STV. > I just didn't feel like making up an election where the results from > CPO-STV and STV differ right now. If you want to see how > the results for the CPO-STV and STV results we

Re: [EM] An example of BTR-STV

2006-06-07 Thread Jan Kok
On 6/7/06, Anthony O'Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (PS, does anyone know what the BTR part of BTR-IRV means? Honestly, I can't > figure it out, but that's what Warren on Rangevoting.com calls it. I'm > thinking of changing the name to Majority Elimination by IRV, or ME-IRV, and > ME-STV, but