Re: [EM] Chris BC reply

2007-02-17 Thread Chris Benham
Michael Ossipoff wrote: > > Chris quotes me: > > Pasting from Mike's web page : > Beatpath Criterion (BC): > BC is only applied to rank methods. Its purpose is as a test for > compliance with SFC, GSFC, WDSC, & SDSC. Any rank method that meets BC > meets those 4 criteria. > BC: > No one should

[EM] Are apportionment academics as incompetent as voting system academics?

2007-02-17 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Are apportionment academics related to voting-system academics? You have probably noticed a certain cluelessness about voting-system academics. I’ve been checking out some apportionment writing on the Internet, and apparently academics who write about apportionment share that cluelessness.

[EM] Borda and Honest Voters

2007-02-17 Thread Forest W Simmons
Mike, Don't forget that even with honest voters, Borda suffers from clone dependence in a major way. Forest election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Easy voting & handcount. Approval vs RV.

2007-02-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
I applaud this statement, though not agreeing with all of its details. While we can learn by participating in polls, we need to remember that our proper goal is assisting average voters in elections. By participating in this group we become something other than average voters. On Fri, 16 Feb 2

[EM] I want to apologize for the cordialilty-lapse.

2007-02-17 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Anyone offering criteria should welcome criticism of them, without anger, just as I’ve been doing. But sometimes something that you weren’t expecting takes you by surprise, and you lose your temper. BC is a criterion, more than it’s “Schulze’s method dressed-up as a criterion“. That’s becaus

Re: [EM] RE : Re: A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-17 Thread Juho
On Feb 15, 2007, at 23:29 , Kevin Venzke wrote: > --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >> Thus, we conclude, the Condorcet Criterion *must* be violated in some >> elections by an optimal method, and thus this theoretical optimum >> method must fail the criterion and others simila