Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-05-01 Thread Simmons, Forest
Antonio Oneala lamented that proportional Condorcet methods tend to be intractable. This is because if there are N candidates from which to choose K winners, there are C(N,K)=N!/(K!*(N-K)!) subsets to be compared pairwise, for a total of C(C(N,K),2) pairwise comparisons of subsets.

Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-05-01 Thread Paul Kislanko
] On Behalf Of Simmons, Forest Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:29 PM To: election-methods@electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting Antonio Oneala lamented that proportional Condorcet methods tend to be intractable. This is because if there are N candidates from which to choose K winners

Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-05-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:29 PM 5/1/2006, Simmons, Forest wrote: However, suppose that instead of comparing all C(N,K) of the K candidate subsets, we just compare all submitted proposals, including those sets that would be elected by STV under various rules (Droop Quota, etc.). There might be ten thousand such

Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-05-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:52 PM 5/1/2006, Antonio Oneala wrote: As for the other reply to my thread, I'm not a fan of asset either. I have a feeling it will enforce party structures, as a candidate inside of a party is far more likely to give it to another candidate in the party than to and independent. Sure.

Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-05-01 Thread Alex Small
It's not a question of whether the method can be quickly worked out by a computer. It's a question of whether the method is transparent enough for an average voter to look at a small set of data and quickly work out who the proper winner is. Alex SmallAbd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Date: Mon, 01

Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-05-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:45 PM 5/1/2006, Alex Small wrote: It's not a question of whether the method can be quickly worked out by a computer. It's a question of whether the method is transparent enough for an average voter to look at a small set of data and quickly work out who the proper winner is. That would

[EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-04-30 Thread Antonio Oneala
All of the proportional condorcet methods I've heard of so far rely on STV to some extent. While this may be useful for ease of use (I'm not sure, I still don't completely understand them) in CPO-STV and sequential STV, it isn't really the best way to apportion the votes, as it introduces some of

Re: [EM] Proportional Condorcet Voting

2006-04-30 Thread Dan Bishop
Antonio Oneala wrote: All of the proportional condorcet methods I've heard of so far rely on STV to some extent. PSC-CLE doesn't rely on STV. However, the simplicity comes at a price: 80: ABCDEF 40: DEFABC Winners of a 3-seat election are A, B, D. 10: X1ABCDEF 10: X2ABCDEF 10: X3ABCDEF 10: