Re: [EM] EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-21 Thread Chris Benham
Warren Smith wrote: Benham: By this definition Range fails ICC because voters can only express preferences among clones by not giving maximum possible score to all of them, thus making it possible that if a narrow winner is replaced by a set of clones all the clones lose. --no. The

Re: [EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-21 Thread Chris Benham
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:00 PM 1/20/2007, Chris Benham wrote: By this definition Range fails ICC because voters can only express preferences among clones by not giving maximum possible score to all of them, thus making it possible that if a narrow

Re: [EM] EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:47 AM 1/21/2007, Chris Benham wrote: Warren Smith wrote: --no. The definition in the problem statement said slight preferences among clones. By slight, I meant, to be formal, infinitesimal. Right. And how does a voter express an infinitesimal preference in the Range 0-99 that you

[EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-20 Thread Warren Smith
Here is the current CRV web page about this problems and its (lack of) solution We are speaking about puzzle #5 at http://www.rangevoting.org/PuzzlePage.html --- Puzzle #5: Voting systems immune to clones and avoiding favorite-betrayal Puzzle: Two desirable properties of a voting system -

Re: [EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-20 Thread Chris Benham
Warren Smith wrote: Here is the current CRV web page about this problems and its (lack of) solution We are speaking about puzzle #5 at http://www.rangevoting.org/PuzzlePage.html --- Puzzle #5: Voting systems immune to clones and avoiding favorite-betrayal Puzzle: Two desirable properties

[EM] EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-20 Thread Warren Smith
Benham: By this definition Range fails ICC because voters can only express preferences among clones by not giving maximum possible score to all of them, thus making it possible that if a narrow winner is replaced by a set of clones all the clones lose. --no. The definition in the problem

Re: [EM] Simmons' solution of voting system design puzzle is inadequate

2007-01-20 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:00 PM 1/20/2007, Chris Benham wrote: By this definition Range fails ICC because voters can only express preferences among clones by not giving maximum possible score to all of them, thus making it possible that if a narrow winner is replaced by a set of clones all the clones lose. Now,