[EM] UncAAO, DMC, ASM, and TACC

2007-03-10 Thread Forest W Simmons
Chris, I'm sure that you are aware that in your example, 31: a|b 32: b|c 37: c|a , the UncAAO winner is c, so that DMC is not uniformly better than UnCAAO in the three candidate case, assuming that c should win. But I'm not so sure that c should win. In fact, I believe that more likely than

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Benham
Forest W Simmons wrote: A candidate X covers a candidate Y if and only if X (pairwise) defeats both Y and each candidate that Y defeats. So if X covers Y, then in a pairwise sense X dominates Y. Now for UncAAO: 1. Write abbreviations for all of the candidate names on a big sheet of

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-03 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Forest-- Alright, but the C voters are still truncating their approval, aren’t they? They still need that strategy in order to put the choice to the A voters about accepting the Nash equilibrium or else. True, the C voters don’t have to abandon A to the degree that they’d have to in wv. So

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-03 Thread Chris Benham
Forest W Simmons wrote: UncAAO stands for Uncovered, Approval, Approval Opposition. Here's how it works: For each candidate X, if X is uncovered, then let f(X)=X, else let f(X) be the candidate against which X has the least approval opposition, among those candidates that cover X.

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-03 Thread Forest W Simmons
Mike, That's right. The C voters still have to use defensive strategy, but the moving the approval cutoff is sufficient. When there are only three candidates, UncAAO is the same as Smith Approval. Here's another classical example: 49 C 24 BA 27 AB Under wv, this is not a Nash Equilibrium,

[EM] UncAAO defined in plain English

2007-03-03 Thread Forest W Simmons
Chris, For the benefit of those who are just joining us, I'll start a little more basic than you would need. We need to know the meaning of cover. A candidate X covers a candidate Y if and only if X (pairwise) defeats both Y and each candidate that Y defeats. So if X covers Y, then in a

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-02 Thread Chris Benham
Forest W Simmons wrote: Here are the main advantages of UncAAO over other Condorcet methods: 1. It is resistant to manipulation ... more so than Beatpath or Ranked Pairs, if I am not mistaken. 2. It always chooses from the uncovered set. 3. It is at least as easy as Ranked Pairs to

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-02 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Forest had correctly said: Under winning votes the C faction can take defensive action and truncate to 20 C. The resulting position is a Nash Equilibrium. Chris writes: Taking such defensive action causes B to win, so why would they want to do that when they prefer A to B? And I don't see

Re: [EM] UncAAO

2007-03-01 Thread Forest W Simmons
Jobst, You've probably already figured this out, but here goes: UncAAO fails IDPA to the same extent that Approval does, because it is possible (however unlikely) for a Pareto Dominated alternative to get as much or more approval than an alternative that dominates it. But note that if Y'

[EM] UncAAO

2007-03-01 Thread Warren Smith
IEVS 3.22 now implements Forest Simmons' latest UncAAO voting method [Uncovered, Approval, Approval Opposition] Warren D Smith http://rangevoting.org http://rangevoting.org/IEVS/IEVS.c election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] UncAAO

2007-02-26 Thread Forest W Simmons
UncAAO stands for Uncovered, Approval, Approval Opposition. Here's how it works: For each candidate X, if X is uncovered, then let f(X)=X, else let f(X) be the candidate against which X has the least approval opposition, among those candidates that cover X. Start with the approval winner