Re: [EM] Favoring a frontrunner

2008-12-05 Thread Dave Ketchum
My point was ONLY that the voter could have equal feeling as to the frontrunners. Here Abd offers some thought on that topic. DWK On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:53:09 -0500 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 11:31 PM 12/4/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote: Favored frontrunner? Trying to add some thought. Agree

Re: [EM] Why I Prefer IRV to Condorcet

2008-12-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho Laatu wrote: --- On Mon, 1/12/08, Kristofer Munsterhjelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Then you should advocate Minmax for being Minmax, not for being Condorcet compliant. If you do the latter, then people may argue that the system is inconsistent because it doesn't follow up the implication

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 1

2008-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:37 AM 12/5/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Something I've always wondered about Asset Voting. Say you have a very selfish electorate who all vote for themselves (or for their friends). From what I understand, those voted for in the first round become the electors who decide among them

[EM] IRV's Squeeze Feature

2008-12-05 Thread fsimmons
Suppose that the voters are distributed uniformly on a disc with center C, and that they are voting to choose from among several locations for a community center. Then no matter how many locations on the ballot, if the voters rank them from nearest to furthest, the location nearest to C will b

Re: [EM] Favoring a frontrunner

2008-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:31 PM 12/4/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote: Favored frontrunner? Trying to add some thought. Agreed to "first rate a favorite and the worst". Then the standard thought is "the voter rates the frontrunners". This needs careful thought. It is likely that one of the frontruners will win. This

Re: [EM] A new simulation

2008-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:15 PM 12/4/2008, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: If you think the risk is too great even so, have a preface adjustment where all candidates that fall below a threshold of first votes are eliminated. The threshold should be very low, say 10. This will introduce some compromising incentive, b

Re: [EM] Auctions

2008-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:47 PM 12/4/2008, Peter Barath wrote: Do you think that if we vote simply with money, the rich have more power than the poor? Yes, it is true. And exactly that is the situation right now, too. Actually, it's not true, it depends on what is done with the money. Suppose, for example, the ex

Re: [EM] Why the concept of "sincere" votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 12:34 AM 12/3/2008, Juho Laatu wrote: --- On Mon, 1/12/08, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One approach to sincerity is to compare voter > behaviour to the requested behaviour. In Approval if the > request is to mark all candidates that one appro

Re: [EM] Voting space graphs, varying sigma

2008-12-05 Thread fsimmons
I like these ideas for varying sigma and keeping down the computational cost of detecting failure of starlike win regions. Let sigma1 and sigma2, respectively, be the distance between the two closest and the distance between the two most widely separated candidates. Then a range of values bet

Re: [EM] Why the concept of "sincere" votes in Range is flawed.

2008-12-05 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:35 AM 12/3/2008, Juho Laatu wrote: Approval is a special case since the votes are so simple that it is hard to tell when one votes in line with one's sincere opinion and when not. Rational Approval votes are never "out of line" with one's sincere opinion." In Approval, equal ranking, whe

Re: [EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 1

2008-12-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: But want simple and maximally powerful? Asset Voting. Terminally simple as a voting method. Ideal strategy: identify the eligible person (could be yourself!) whom you most trust to make a good decision in your absence, because you will be absent, as a voter, until th