Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: It seems to me that thevoters are more worried about the ballot type and ease of voting it than they are of the exact counting rules. There are several Condorcet methods that are clone proof and monotonic without being too complicated. Perhaps, but not to the extent

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
robert bristow-johnson wrote: On May 31, 2011, at 10:46 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: It has been averred many times on this list that in Australia, where partial rankings are considered spoiled ballots, that sure makes little sense. is this related to the mandatory voting laws for

Re: [EM] Generalized symmetric ballot completion

2011-06-01 Thread Juho Laatu
On 31.5.2011, at 12.58, Peter Zbornik wrote: That would be, I think the smallest improvement on IRV, which could make a positive change in real life and would support centrist candidates. From the Condorcet criterion point of view, the Condorcet winner is a good, often centrist candidate. If

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Juho Laatu
On 1.6.2011, at 5.46, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: I agree with Kevin that elect the CW if there is one, else elect the candidate ranked (or ranked above last) on the greatest number of ballots is plenty simple, and is much more satisfactory than MinMax or Copeland in other respects. In what

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Juho, --- En date de : Mer 1.6.11, Juho Laatu juho4...@yahoo.co.uk a écrit : I agree with Kevin that elect the CW if there is one, else elect the candidate ranked (or ranked above last) on the greatest number of ballots is plenty simple, and is much more satisfactory than MinMax or

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: It seems to me that thevoters are more worried about the ballot type and ease of voting it than they are of the exact counting rules. There are several Condorcet methods that are clone proof and monotonic without

Re: [EM] Remember Toby (fsimm...@pcc.edu)

2011-06-01 Thread Kathy Dopp
I agree with everything you've said here re. simplicity etc. Condorcet with Approval to break Condorcet cycles would be great. Simple to explain, precinct-summable with the use of an NxN matrix, with N= # candidates and the matrix diagonal available for other data. (such as the total number of

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/6/1 Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: It seems to me that thevoters are more worried about the ballot type and ease of voting it than they are of the exact counting rules. There are several Condorcet

[EM] Usability studies of ranking/rating/approval methods

2011-06-01 Thread Steve Wolfman
There's been some recent discussion of which ballots are easiest to use. Does anyone know of published (experimental) studies of usability of non-plurality ballots (perhaps vs. plurality ballots)? I'd be happy to take personal responses and summarize for anyone who would rather not post to

[EM] Usability studies of ranking/rating/approval methods

2011-06-01 Thread Warren Smith
see http://rangevoting.org/SPRates.html http://www.rangevoting.org/French2007studies.html -- Warren D. Smith http://RangeVoting.org -- add your endorsement (by clicking endorse as 1st step) and math.temple.edu/~wds/homepage/works.html Election-Methods mailing list - see

Re: [EM] Remember Toby (fsimm...@pcc.edu)

2011-06-01 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Jun 1, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Kathy Dopp wrote: I agree with everything you've said here re. simplicity etc. Condorcet with Approval to break Condorcet cycles would be great. Simple to explain, precinct-summable with the use of an NxN matrix, with N= # candidates and the matrix diagonal

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread fsimmons
- Original Message - From: Jameson Quinn Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 11:27 am Subject: Re: [EM] Remember Toby To: Dave Ketchum Cc: Kristofer Munsterhjelm , election-methods@lists.electorama.com, fsimm...@pcc.edu 2011/6/1 Dave Ketchum On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Kristofer

Re: [EM] Remember Toby

2011-06-01 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2011/6/1 Dave Ketchum da...@clarityconnect.com On Jun 1, 2011, at 3:57 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: It seems to me that thevoters are more worried about the ballot type and ease of voting it than they are of the exact