Re: [EM] Single-winner method with strong winners (was: Poll for favorite single winner voting system with OpaVote)

2011-10-17 Thread Juho Laatu
On 17.10.2011, at 1.44, Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi Juho, Sorry in advance if I didn't read your message carefully enough, but I think I probably did: For a skilled reader like you those two rows below that define the method should be enough. So I guess you know what the method will do.

Re: [EM] Methods

2011-10-17 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
matt welland wrote: Assuming that a) decent information about the candidates has been available via news, web and debates and b) reasonable quality approval polls have been conducted prior to the election then: In the case where there are too few good options then clearly the candidates do not

[EM] Poll for favorite single winner voting system with OpaVote

2011-10-17 Thread Jeffrey O'Neill
Mike, The election closes on Sunday, and I will post a summary of results here using a few methods. It is interesting see what supporters of one method think about other methods.. The ballots are also available for people to do with as they like. For the election that you want to conduct, you

Re: [EM] Declaration wording refinement

2011-10-17 Thread Richard Fobes
I have made this edit (of a single sentence) in the original Google Docs version of the Declaration, and in the copy here: http://www.votefair.org/declaration.html I think it's now in its final form. As before, if anyone who already signed it does not like the minor changes, please speak

Re: [EM] A design flaw in the electoral system

2011-10-17 Thread Michael Allan
Juho Laatu wrote: True. My vote has probably not made any difference in any of the (large) elections that I have ever participated. ... You are not really in doubt, are you? You would remember if your vote made a difference. I think I had my fair share of power (1 / number of voters). Well,

Re: [EM] A design flaw in the electoral system

2011-10-17 Thread Juho Laatu
On 17.10.2011, at 23.33, Michael Allan wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: True. My vote has probably not made any difference in any of the (large) elections that I have ever participated. ... You are not really in doubt, are you? You would remember if your vote made a difference. Most elections

Re: [EM] Methods

2011-10-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
Kristofer offers a bit of thought, but we are still missing too much of the basic needs. Voter NEEDs to be able to vote for candidates preferred (plural). Approval offers this much, at little cost, but nothing more. Voter NEEDs to be able to indicate relative preference among those

[EM] Methods

2011-10-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Also, Approval is like a solid, reliable and simple hand-tool. It isn't as labor-saving as a good rank method. The rank-methods are labor-saving machines. But machines can have their problems /or idiosyncracies. The ranking methods are like the saw, labor intensive and expensive to use

Re: [EM] Methods

2011-10-17 Thread matt welland
On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 20:42 +0200, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: matt welland wrote: Again, I think it is very, very important to note that the ranked systems actually lose or hide information relative to approval in both these cases. In what manner does a ranked method hide information?