[EM] Kristofer, re: ICT and Approval, part 2

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Ossipoff
>* In MCA, MTA, etc., the middle rating is only for candidates barely >*>*qualifying for an approval in Approval, and candidates almost *>* qualiifying for an approval in Approval. In ABucklin, I suggest that the *>* whole range of rank positions below top and above bottom should be reserved *>* f

[EM] Kristofer, re; ICT and Approval, part 1

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Ossipoff
** Kristofer: I'm going to improve my answers to this post. You wrote: But I'm pretty sure that ICT fails clone independence. Clearly CT does... [endquote] Some criteria compliances must be given up for others. I consider FBC and defection-resistance to be the important considerations, because

[EM] The article plan sounds fine to me.

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Adrian-- The plan for the article sounds fine to me. I greatly appreciate that opportunity to share information about the powerful and feasible Approval voting system. Mike Ossipoff Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Version 2: Without the word "alone"

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Version 2 of Intermediate FBC omits the word "alone" from the Requirement section. I call that Intermediate FBC-2. That makes the criterion stronger, more demanding. So I'm proposing two versions of Intermediate FBC: 1, Intermediate FBC 2. Intermediate FBC-2 I expect that all of the methods that

[EM] Much clearer and best yet Intermediate FBC definition--probably final definition of Intermediate FBC.

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Last night I posted brief definitions of FBC (also called Weak FBC) and Strong FBC. Intermediate FBC can't be clearly defined that briefly. Henceforth, when I say "Intermediate FBC", I'll be referring to the Intermediate FBC that is defined in this post. Intermediate FBC: Premise: "Worse" is th

Re: [EM] Democracy Chronicles, introductions

2012-04-24 Thread Richard Fobes
In the non-mathematical world the word "equivalent" means "having similar or identical effects" which allows for not _always_ being _identical_ in _all_ respects. That is the context for usage in the Democracy Chronicles article. Even in a rigorous academic mathematical context, "equivalent"

[EM] Election thinking,

2012-04-24 Thread Adrian Tawfik
Dear Mr. Ossipoff and colleagues, Thank you for your help.  Clearly, I will not be able to function as a moderator of these article discussions because I am very new to most of this material.  But from my perspective, the conversations have been very helpful.  I think it is important for me to

Re: [EM] Democracy Chronicles, introductions

2012-04-24 Thread Andy Jennings
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Richard Fobes < electionmeth...@votefair.org> wrote: > On 4/23/2012 12:05 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > >> On 04/22/2012 05:07 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: >> >> The core of the system is VoteFair popularity ranking, which is >>> mathematically equivalent to th

[EM] An Intermediate FBC more in keeping with Weak and Strong FBCs

2012-04-24 Thread Michael Ossipoff
I emphasize that these tentatively-defined stronger FBCs aren't really needed. The weaker FBC that I've been defining and using is enough to distinguish the seriously-failing methods. The methods that pass don't run afoul of Kristofer's question about "how simple the non-betrayal is". Still, it wo