Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-30 Thread Paul Kislanko
[mailto:da...@clarityconnect.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 5:55 PM To: Paul Kislanko Cc: 'Kristofer Munsterhjelm'; election-meth...@electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Paul Kislanko wrote: > On 04/29/2012 04:48 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote:

Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-30 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:02 PM, Paul Kislanko wrote: On 04/29/2012 04:48 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote: Computers do well at performing the tasks they are properly told to perform - better than humans given the same directions. Thus it would make sense to direct the computers and expect them to do what is

Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-30 Thread Paul Kislanko
On 04/29/2012 04:48 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote: > Computers do well at performing the tasks they are properly told to > perform - better than humans given the same directions. Thus it would > make sense to direct the computers and expect them to do what is > needed accurately. > > Still, we sometime

Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-30 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 04/29/2012 04:48 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote: Computers do well at performing the tasks they are properly told to perform - better than humans given the same directions. Thus it would make sense to direct the computers and expect them to do what is needed accurately. Still, we sometimes wonder exa

Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-28 Thread Dave Ketchum
o:election-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Ossipoff Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:55 PM To: election-meth...@electorama.com Subject: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts Dave: You said: And that gets to why I think "hand counting" is no longer useful as "verific

Re: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-28 Thread Paul Kislanko
I told the machine was my vote. From: election-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com [mailto:election-methods-boun...@lists.electorama.com] On Behalf Of Michael Ossipoff Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:55 PM To: election-meth...@electorama.com Subject: [EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts Dave:

[EM] Dave Ketchum: Handcounts

2012-04-27 Thread Michael Ossipoff
Dave: You said: And that gets to why I think "hand counting" is no longer useful as "verification" - what is there to "hand count" when there are no paper ballots except those printed by the machines that we're auditing? [endquote] Handcounting was used even before there were voting machines!