Re: [EM] Geometric Condorcet cycle example, improved

2009-12-30 Thread Warren Smith
If instead of Simmons's choice 4:2:2:2 for the city populations, we use 4:4-k:k:4-k then * with k=2 we get Simmons populations and 60:40 majorities. * with k=1 we get 7:4 majorities (or more) * when k drops to 0 we get 66.66% majorities for every pair, which is maximum possible, and city C becomes

Re: [EM] Geometric Condorcet cycle example, improved

2009-12-30 Thread fsimmons
Actually it's the symmetry property of metrics (d(p,q)=d(q,p)), not the triangle inequality, that guarantees the absence of a Condorcet cycle in the triangle case: Suppose that A, B, and C are the only candidates, and that voters are concentrated very near their favorites. Assume that preference

Re: [EM] Geometric Condorcet cycle example, improved

2009-12-29 Thread fsimmons
Warren,Thanks for upgrading my example to be valid for the L^1 through L^infinity cases.  Of course, it's still true that four points are needed, since the proof that there is no example like this with three relies only on the triangle inequality, which is satisfied for any metric.Jobst,I rememb

Re: [EM] Geometric Condorcet cycle example, improved

2009-12-29 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Hi folks, I just recalled that four years ago I constructed a sophisticated example which is somewhat similar: http://lists.electorama.com/htdig.cgi/election-methods-electorama.com/2005-May/015982.html Happy New Year! Jobst Warren Smith schrieb: > This point-set also works: > A=(1,0) B=(0,4) C=

Re: [EM] Geometric Condorcet cycle example, improved

2009-12-27 Thread Warren Smith
This point-set also works: A=(1,0) B=(0,4) C=(3,5) D=(9,2) -- Warren D. Smith http://RangeVoting.org <-- add your endorsement (by clicking "endorse" as 1st step) and math.temple.edu/~wds/homepage/works.html Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Geometric Condorcet cycle example, improved

2009-12-27 Thread Warren Smith
F.Simmons: 4 towns A,B,C,D with respective town populations in proportion 2:1:1:1. Preference profiles 40% A>B>C>D 20% B>C>A>D 20% C>B>A>D 20% D>C>A>B Which makes D a Condorcet loser and creates the cycle A beats B beats C beats A. Warren D. Smith: Each of the following lines gives a set of