Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:56 AM 4/23/2010, Jameson Quinn wrote: [I'd written:} About a century ago, a proposal was made in a major western U.S. city to have a city council where each member exercised, in the council, the number of votes they got in the election. Which city? When? Well, I couldn't find it. Port

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Jameson Quinn
> About a century ago, a proposal was made in a major western U.S. city to > have a city council where each member exercised, in the council, the number > of votes they got in the election. > > Which city? When? Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:16 AM 4/23/2010, Michael Allan wrote: Duane Johnson wrote: > This sounds quite interesting, Abd ul-Rahman. Where can I learn > about your FA/DP idea? ... (I know about delegable proxy, but > haven't heard about FA/DP specifically). DP may have other applications, too, aside from FA. T

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Duane I think your idea of formulating a political process that is based on listening to the views of the people is important. However, accomplishing such an end is non-trivial. Raph Frank did a good job of critiquing your proposal, so I won't repeat his effort. However, I ur

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-23 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Andrew Myers wrote: On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: However, I strongly urge people who attempt to analyze the situation and to propose reforms to: 1. Keep it simple. An extraordinarily powerful system for fully proportional representation consisting of a seemingly-simple tweak

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-22 Thread Michael Allan
Duane Johnson wrote: > This sounds quite interesting, Abd ul-Rahman. Where can I learn > about your FA/DP idea? ... (I know about delegable proxy, but > haven't heard about FA/DP specifically). DP may have other applications, too, aside from FA. Here's a proposal for primary elections and prima

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:07 PM 4/21/2010, Duane Johnson wrote: This sounds quite interesting, Abd ul-Rahman. Where can I learn about your FA/DP idea? Your discussion here is helpful, but I feel like I am missing out the important prerequisite pieces in order to make sense of it. (I know about delegable proxy,

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:23 PM 4/21/2010, Terry Bouricius wrote: Abd has made much of a proposal of Charles Dodgson tweaking STV by allowing candidates to assign exhausted ballots...but that is NOT the system that Dodgson's name is normally attached to. His name is attached to a Condorcet method (but not knowing

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Duane Johnson
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Raph Frank wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Duane Johnson > wrote: The voting process would go like this: 1. (By some process outside the scope of this proposal), it is determined that an issue needs to be voted on This could be an issue, as controllin

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Duane Johnson
There is no rush, of course. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks, Duane Johnson On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Fred Gohlke wrote: Good Morning, Duane Johnson I plan to study your proposal but have not had time to do so. I expect to have questions for you and will post them as so

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Duane Johnson
This sounds quite interesting, Abd ul-Rahman. Where can I learn about your FA/DP idea? Your discussion here is helpful, but I feel like I am missing out the important prerequisite pieces in order to make sense of it. (I know about delegable proxy, but haven't heard about FA/DP specifical

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Terry Bouricius
that this would result in "no election." Terry - Original Message - From: Jameson Quinn To: Andrew Myers Cc: election-methods@lists.electorama.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy 2010/4/21 Andrew My

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread fsimmons
Dodgson came up with Asset Voting, and I'm sure that is what Lomax was referring to, but Asset Voting is not the method commonly called Dodgson's Method, hence the confusion. > > 2010/4/21 Andrew Myers > > > On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > > > However, I strongly urge peopl

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
2010/4/21 Andrew Myers > On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > However, I strongly urge people who attempt to analyze the situation > and to propose reforms to: > > 1. Keep it simple. An extraordinarily powerful system for fully > proportional representation consisting of a seemingl

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Andrew Myers
On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: However, I strongly urge people who attempt to analyze the situation and to propose reforms to: 1. Keep it simple. An extraordinarily powerful system for fully proportional representation consisting of a seemingly-simple tweak on Single Transferable

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:55 AM 4/20/2010, Raph Frank wrote: Btw, you should look into the delegable proxy system. This is also designed to allow effective communication without overloading the voters. Asset Voting was invented when Dodgson realized that most voters were people busy with their lives. They were n

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:42 PM 4/19/2010, Duane Johnson wrote: Hi Everyone, I am new to this forum, thanks to James Green-Armytage who sent me the address. I am a software engineer in Chicago who also happens to be interested in voting methods. I'd like to propose a voting method that may be of interest here

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-21 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Morning, Duane Johnson I plan to study your proposal but have not had time to do so. I expect to have questions for you and will post them as soon as I've had time to think about what you've written. That may not be for a week or so. Fred Gohlke Election-Methods mailing list - see

Re: [EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-20 Thread Raph Frank
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Duane Johnson wrote: > The voting process would go like this: >   1. (By some process outside the scope of this proposal), it is determined > that an issue needs to be voted on This could be an issue, as controlling what people get to vote on represents considerab

[EM] Idea Proposal: Listening Democracy

2010-04-19 Thread Duane Johnson
Hi Everyone, I am new to this forum, thanks to James Green-Armytage who sent me the address. I am a software engineer in Chicago who also happens to be interested in voting methods. I'd like to propose a voting method that may be of interest here. It has also been cross-posted to the id