Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Jameson Quinn wrote: Russ's message about simplicity is well-taken. But the most successful voting reform is IRV - which is far from being the simplest reform. Why has IRV been successful? I want to leave this as an open question for others before I try to answer it myself. The one answer

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Bob Richard wrote: It turns that real live voters (including real live politicians) care a lot about the later-no-harm criterion, even if they don't know what it's called. If true, that is unfortunate. Perhaps we would have to pick a better criterion that is also easy to understand,

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Andy Jennings
Also, I think IRV's seemingly intuitive nature has something to do with it. For those who *did* investigate more deeply, IRV seemed sensible, too: instead of holding a bunch of expensive runoffs, collect all the required information at once and then act as if there were runoffs. That fails to

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/7/8 Andy Jennings electi...@jenningsstory.com Also, I think IRV's seemingly intuitive nature has something to do with it. For those who *did* investigate more deeply, IRV seemed sensible, too: instead of holding a bunch of expensive runoffs, collect all the required information at once

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Juho Laatu
On 8.7.2011, at 17.16, Andy Jennings wrote: Also, I think IRV's seemingly intuitive nature has something to do with it. For those who *did* investigate more deeply, IRV seemed sensible, too: instead of holding a bunch of expensive runoffs, collect all the required information at once and

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Jul 8, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Juho Laatu wrote: On 8.7.2011, at 17.16, Andy Jennings wrote: Also, I think IRV's seemingly intuitive nature has something to do with it. For those who *did* investigate more deeply, IRV seemed sensible, too: instead of holding a bunch of expensive runoffs,

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- En date de : Ven 8.7.11, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km_el...@lavabit.com a écrit : Bob Richard wrote: It turns that real live voters (including real live politicians) care a lot about the later-no-harm criterion, even if they don't know what it's called. If true, that is

[EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-07 Thread Jameson Quinn
Russ's message about simplicity is well-taken. But the most successful voting reform is IRV - which is far from being the simplest reform. Why has IRV been successful? I want to leave this as an open question for others before I try to answer it myself. The one answer which wouldn't be useful

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-07 Thread Juho Laatu
I actually already touched this question in another mail. And the argument was that (in two-party countries) IRV is not as risky risky from the two leading parties' point of view as methods that are more compromise candidate oriented (instead of being first preference oriented). I think that is

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-07 Thread Bob Richard
It turns that real live voters (including real live politicians) care a lot about the later-no-harm criterion, even if they don't know what it's called. --Bob Richard On 7/7/2011 3:43 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: I actually already touched this question in another mail. And the argument was that

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-07 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Jul 7, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Bob Richard wrote: It turns that real live voters (including real live politicians) care a lot about the later-no-harm criterion, even if they don't know what it's called. They need to learn that Condorcet offers less painful response than what IRV is