[EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-11 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Here's a scenario I've been thinking about lately. Say that you have a parliament using proportional representation, and the voting method is party list. Then say that the situation is so that after the election, either the left-of-center parties or the right-of-center parties form a coalition

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-12 Thread Michael Allan
Hi Kristofer, I think the "liquid democracy" solution can be salvaged by moving it into an open primary. > I suppose the problem is that the coalition makeup is set up after > the election rather than during it. So the voting method has no idea > about how power is distributed and arranged after

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-14 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 03/12/2013 06:27 PM, Michael Allan wrote: Hi Kristofer, I think the "liquid democracy" solution can be salvaged by moving it into an open primary. I suppose the problem is that the coalition makeup is set up after the election rather than during it. So the voting method has no idea about ho

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-14 Thread Richard Fobes
On 3/11/2013 1:33 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > Here's a scenario I've been thinking about lately. > > Say that you have a parliament using proportional representation, and > the voting method is party list. Then say that the situation is > so that after the election, either the left-of-cent

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-15 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 03/14/2013 11:26 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: On 3/11/2013 1:33 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: > Here's a scenario I've been thinking about lately. > > Say that you have a parliament using proportional representation, and > the voting method is party list. Then say that the situation is >

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-15 Thread Richard Fobes
On 3/15/2013 2:22 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 03/14/2013 11:26 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: ... One way is to eliminate the need for coalitions. This is the purpose of VoteFair negotiation ranking, which allows the elected representatives to rank various proposals on various (hopefully-at-

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-17 Thread Michael Allan
I still want to salvage Kristofer's liquid democracy approach to the problem. My last post didn't properly describe the executive primary, however, and it seems to be crucial. > I'm not entirely sure what you mean here. Is it parliamentary, in > that the primary decides upon the composition of th

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-18 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 03/15/2013 06:55 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: On 3/15/2013 2:22 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 03/14/2013 11:26 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: ... One way is to eliminate the need for coalitions. This is the purpose of VoteFair negotiation ranking, which allows the elected representatives to ra

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-18 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:03 AM 3/18/2013, Michael Allan wrote: I still want to salvage Kristofer's liquid democracy approach to the problem. My last post didn't properly describe the executive primary, however, and it seems to be crucial. I'm totally pleased to see that Michael Allen has grasped the concept of

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-18 Thread Richard Fobes
On 3/18/2013 12:49 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 03/15/2013 06:55 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: On 3/15/2013 2:22 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 03/14/2013 11:26 PM, Richard Fobes wrote: ... I do not understand what you mean by making a government a minority government. What is a mino

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-20 Thread Michael Allan
Thank you Abd, Aside from you, and us at Votorola, the only others I know who routinely go out of their way to emphasize the distinction between normative guidance (continuous primaries, advice) and decisive power are the folks at AG Meinungsfindungstool. Unfortunately, I've had difficulty commun

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-21 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 03/19/2013 03:08 AM, Richard Fobes wrote: I continue to fail to understand why citizens think of politics as a left-versus-right tug-of-war. That's what it used to be before special interests hired election experts to advise them on how to take advantage of vote splitting. Now, the much bigge

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-23 Thread Richard Fobes
On 3/21/2013 2:05 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 03/19/2013 03:08 AM, Richard Fobes wrote: I continue to fail to understand why citizens think of politics as a left-versus-right tug-of-war. That's what it used to be before special interests hired election experts to advise them on how to t

Re: [EM] Parliamentary compromising strategy

2013-03-24 Thread Richard Fobes
On 3/23/2013 3:21 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: ... (details below) > I'm not saying up is rich and down is poor "as such". I'm > saying that in most democratic nations, the people prefer > some wealth redistribution. Putting it more strongly, every voter wants wealth redistribution. > ... >