Re: [EM] Remember toby Nixon

2011-05-27 Thread Jameson Quinn
On the mathematical-exploration side of things: 2011/5/26 fsimm...@pcc.edu From: Kevin Venzke To: election-meth...@electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon? FS Message-ID: 404845.50771...@web29613.mail.ird.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-27 Thread Jameson Quinn
If you are looking for simplicity then maybe also minmax should be considered since it (the margins version) simply measures the number of required additional voters to beat all others. I agree. If minimax is twice as likely to be adopted, because it's simpler, and gives 95% of the

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-26 Thread Juho Laatu
On 26.5.2011, at 7.10, matt welland wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 01:07 +, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: matt welland wrote ... The only strategy in approval is to hold your nose and check off the front runner you despise because you don't want the other front runner you despise more to

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-26 Thread Juho Laatu
On 26.5.2011, at 4.35, robert bristow-johnson wrote: being that they choose the same winner in the case that there are only 3 candidates in the cycle, i would recommend Tideman over Schulze (sorry Marcus) for the simplicity of explanation. while getting a Condorcet cycle is expected to be

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon? FS

2011-05-26 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Forest, --- En date de : Mer 25.5.11, fsimm...@pcc.edu fsimm...@pcc.edu a écrit : The main problem is determining (through the disinformation noise) who the front runners really are. Suppose the zero-information front runners to be candidates A and B, but that the media created front

Re: [EM] Remember toby Nixon

2011-05-26 Thread fsimmons
From: Kevin Venzke To: election-meth...@electorama.com Subject: Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon? FS Message-ID: 404845.50771...@web29613.mail.ird.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Forest, --- En date de?: Mer 25.5.11, fsimm...@pcc.edu a ?crit?: The main

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread Andrew Myers
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote: On May 24, 2011, at 6:42 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list for a advice on what election method to try propose in the Washington State Legislature. He finally settled on CSSD beatpath. As near

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list for a advice on what election method to try propose in the Washington State Legislature. He finally settled on CSSD beatpath. As near as I know nothing came of it. What would we propose if we had

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
matt welland wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 22:42 +, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: On the other hand Approval requires reliable polling information for informed strategy. This fact makes Approval vulnerable to manipulation by disinformation. Is this a generally accepted truth? I don't think I

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread Juho Laatu
For a legislature one could use also multi-winner and proportional methods, but I think the question was what single-winner method to recommend. (I'd probably recommend proportional methods for most multi-winner elections, unless the community explicitly wants to have a two-party system.)

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread Dave Ketchum
On May 25, 2011, at 2:07 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote: On May 24, 2011, at 6:42 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list for a advice on what election method to try propose in the Washington State

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread fsimmons
matt welland wrote ... The only strategy in approval is to hold your nose and check off the front runner you despise because you don't want the other front runner you despise more to win. The main problem is determining (through the disinformation noise) who the front runners really are.

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread fsimmons
- Original Message - From: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon? To: fsimm...@pcc.edu Cc: election-methods@lists.electorama.com fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On May 25, 2011, at 9:17 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: - Original Message - From: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Being who I am, I would either pick Ranked Pairs or CSSD (Beatpath, Schulze): the former if it's more important that it can be explained easily, the latter if precedence is more

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-25 Thread matt welland
On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 01:07 +, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: matt welland wrote ... The only strategy in approval is to hold your nose and check off the front runner you despise because you don't want the other front runner you despise more to win. The main problem is determining

[EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-24 Thread fsimmons
About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list for a advice on what election method to try propose in the Washington State Legislature. He finally settled on CSSD beatpath. As near as I know nothing came of it. What would we propose if we had another opportunity like

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-24 Thread Jameson Quinn
I think DYN is my new favorite practical proposal. It's simple and it would work beautifully. The one downside of that system would be the possibility of granting too much power to a minority kingmaker. For instance, a 4% candidate could have the power to swing the election to either one of two

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-24 Thread matt welland
On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 22:42 +, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list for a advice on what election method to try propose in the Washington State Legislature. He finally settled on CSSD beatpath. As near as I know nothing came of it.

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-24 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- En date de : Mar 24.5.11, matt welland m...@kiatoa.com a écrit : What is CW? Us part time readers would be forever grateful if some kind soul would put a magic decoder ring on the wiki. CW is the Condorcet winner. This is a candidate who would beat any other candidate head-to-head.

Re: [EM] remember Toby Nixon?

2011-05-24 Thread Dave Ketchum
On May 24, 2011, at 6:42 PM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: About six years ago Toby Nixon asked the members of this EM list for a advice on what election method to try propose in the Washington State Legislature. He finally settled on CSSD beatpath. As near as I know nothing came of it. What