Re: [EM] Cardinal Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination

2003-08-29 Thread Rob Speer
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 05:43:25PM -0400, Eric Gorr wrote: > >I have to disagree strongly with that last sentence. Utility is > >important. A low utility 'least bad' centrist turkey is not the same > >as a genuinely preferred compromise. > > Considering both groups would prefer to have B over th

Re: [EM] Cardinal Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination

2003-08-29 Thread Eric Gorr
At 5:19 PM -0400 8/29/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Gorr wrote in part: 45 A>B>C 6 B>A>C 5 B>C>A 44 C>B>A (snip) The entire population would rather have B then the apparently primary opposition. So, B should win. Actually neither myself nor those who disagree with me can be certain as to whe

Re: [EM] Cardinal Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination

2003-08-29 Thread Dgamble997
Eric Gorr wrote in part: >>45 A>B>C >>6 B>A>C >>5 B>C>A >>44 C>B>A (snip) >The entire population would rather have B then the apparently primary >opposition. >So, B should win. >>Actually neither myself nor those who disagree with me can be >>certain as to whether B is really a low util

Re: [EM] Re: Cheering for simplicity/Orphan

2003-08-29 Thread Forest Simmons
The moral of Rob's example below is that PR should not be done by sequential choice. That's why PAV is superior to sequential PAV, for another example. Since STV is a sequential choice method, it is essentially a bailing wire and string kluge that may be good enough for government work, but shoul

Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity/Orphan

2003-08-29 Thread Forest Simmons
Furthermore, what we call "election methods" have many applications beyond public elections. We call the alternatives "candidates" because that is a colorful case that interests a lot of people. Forest On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Alex Small wrote: > John B. Hodges said: > > Some time back I asked why t

Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity/Orphan

2003-08-29 Thread Forest Simmons
The simplest method to understand and implement works for both single winner elections and proportional representation: Candidate Proxy. Each voter votes for one candidate as in plurality. The candidates represent (as proxies) the voters that voted for them in an election completion convention tha

Re: [EM] Cardinal Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination

2003-08-29 Thread Eric Gorr
At 7:34 PM -0400 8/28/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My favourite type of example to post on this list is the following: 45 A>B>C 6 B>A>C 5 B>C>A 44 C>B>A I argue that B shouldn't win because he/she is very likely to be a low utility compromise- the least worst. Many people on this list disagree w

[EM] Approval Voting and Classical Mechanics

2003-08-29 Thread Alex Small
Let's talk about a very hypothetical model. Say that we use Approval Voting. We have N candidates and an M-dimensional issue space. Say also that voters decide which candidates to approve based solely on where the candidates stand on the issues, and not based on how the candidates are faring in