Re: [EM] Re: group strategy equilibria: no sincere CW

2004-08-25 Thread Bart Ingles
Anthony Duff wrote: I am interested in the question of the frequency of non-existance of a sincere CW. I personally do not know that it is probable. In Merrill, Making Multicandidate..., in the table on p.24, he shows frequency of sincere CW for 5 candidates under a random society

Re: [EM] Re: group strategy equilibria: no sincere CW

2004-08-25 Thread Steve Eppley
Anthony Duff asked: I am interested in the question of the frequency of non-existence of a sincere CW. I personally do not know that it is probable. Here's another reason to occasionally expect sincere cycles at the top, when we're electing candidates to offices: Candidates want to win!

Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (Any feedback ?please !??)

2004-08-25 Thread Steve Eppley
Bart I asked: Steve Eppley wrote: -snip- Steven Brams, I presume. But it's such an unimportant property, since it's laughably unrealistic to assume voters' sincere preferences are dichotomous when there are more than two candidates. It's a product of the publish or perish syndrome, most

Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It's mostly about PR)

2004-08-25 Thread Philippe Errembault
I think there something I didn't realise before writing this... I'm not in the frame of electing one! person and the point is that it changes everything... Maybe I shouldn't have made the analogy with approval system. PR systems are s different from election for one person which are usualy

RE: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It's mostlyabout PR)

2004-08-25 Thread James Gilmour
Philippe Errembault Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:25 AM In fact, I'm trying to find a solution for a problem we have in Belgium with a proportional representation system... The big solution is simple: change to STV-PR. That will solve your specific problem and bring many other

[EM] California Dreamin'

2004-08-25 Thread Dr . Ernie Prabhakar
Dear Election Methods, Despite Arnold's best efforts (which, frankly, are better than anyone else has done here for decades) California appears to be in the grip of a perpetual governance crisis. The result is that at least one well-known columnist is calling for radical reforms, including

STV-PR Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It's mostlyabout PR)

2004-08-25 Thread Dr . Ernie Prabhakar
Hi James, On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:20 AM, James Gilmour wrote: One part of a smaller solution would be to make the list order irrelevant, but that would not please the party managers. Even if you did that and allowed voters to mark several candidates within a given party list, you would not

Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It's mostly about PR)

2004-08-25 Thread Adam Tarr
For those who didn't read the appendix - here's a brief summary of Belgium's elections. Party list voting decides the number of seats per party. Within a given party, you may either vote for the standard party order, in which case your vote is treated like a STV vote, or you may vote for multiple

RE: STV-PR Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It'smostlyabout PR)

2004-08-25 Thread James Gilmour
Dr.Ernie Prabhakar Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:30 PM to. With STV-PR, is there any way to preserve 'weak' locality? That is, say I have district magnitude of 20, so I can conceptually identify 20 subdistricts which have been combined into a single district for PR purposes.

RE: STV-PR Re: [EM] Using weights to compensate multiple votes (It'smostlyabout PR)

2004-08-25 Thread Adam Haas Tarr
I agree with everything James wrote, I'd just like to make an addition. James Gilmour wrote: Dr.Ernie Prabhakar Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:30 PM But, with PR, it can get quite complicated. Has anyone thought about the 'fairest' way to maximize locality while preserving PR? Or, is

Re: [EM] Re: STV-PR

2004-08-25 Thread Adam Tarr
Dr.Ernie Prabhakar wrote: Ah, okay, I think I'm getting it. So, how the heck does one define natural communities in any sort of objective manner? City boundaries? Commute flows? Geography? There was an excellent discussion about this in the archives. Here's a link that links to it:

Re: [EM] Re: STV-PR

2004-08-25 Thread Adam Tarr
Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/election-methods-list/message/13066 Basically, commute flows (or road bandwidth) was regarded as the best measure, as it encapsulates geography and demographics pretty well. Yeah, I remember that (lanes of traffic). I even started writing

Re: [EM] California Dreamin', Take 2

2004-08-25 Thread Dr . Ernie Prabhakar
Thanks to everyone, especially James. Enclosed is a shorter and hopefully wiser proposal; I think the PR bit is in pretty good shape. Anyone want to comment on my suggestion for write/edit bicameralism? -- Ernie P. Reengineering California: Towards A 21st Century Legislature Draft 2,