Re: [EM] Approval vs. IRV

2004-10-15 Thread James Green-Armytage
>could you explain the details of how ER-IRV (whole and fractional) are >tabulated? >I searched the list, and found a few posts about ER-IRV from this >spring/summer (including your humorous June 7 post), but none of them >describe the method in detail. I don't know how detailed I can ge

Re: [EM] Approval vs. IRV

2004-10-15 Thread Eric Gorr
At 11:05 AM -0700 10/15/04, Brian Olson wrote: The variations I implemented were obviously rational and fair to me. I may need some convincing of other variations. I think I'm allergic to the use of randomness in election methods, so I don't plan on implementing such an option. Well, the three meth

Re: [EM] Slashdot: An Analysis of Various Election Methods

2004-10-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:54:36 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 3 Oct 2004, Bart Ingles wrote: I started out on this list in 1998 as an IRV supporter, but now see it as a step in the wrong direction. Back then I believed IRV had properties I considered important (e.g. resistance to low-

Re: [EM] Condorcet complicated?

2004-10-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:20:23 -0500 Paul Kislanko wrote: I have to interject again. "Likewise, IRV can suffer spoilers, a problem Condorcet avoids by reading all the ranking in each ballot." Condorcet does not reference ballots, Condorcet depends upon the pairwise matrix which cannot be mapped back

Re: [EM] Approval vs. IRV

2004-10-15 Thread Brian Olson
On Oct 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Eric Gorr wrote: At 11:15 PM -0700 10/14/04, James Cooper wrote: could you explain the details of how ER-IRV (whole and fractional) are tabulated? I have Equal Ranking IRV Whole & Fractional implemented within my voting calculator. You should be able to discern how th

[EM] Re: Ted--Can AERLO be matched with one count?

2004-10-15 Thread Ted Stern
On 15 Oct 2004 at 08:56 PDT, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > > > Ted-- > > Thanks for your interesting posting about the possiblity of achieving what > AERLO achieves, but with just one count. > > I've copied that posting, to check it out. > > But let me briefly comment now: It isn't as if AERLO requires t

[EM] Re: Approval vs. IRV

2004-10-15 Thread Ted Stern
Washington State legal interpretations inserted below -- note that IANAL. On 14 Oct 2004 at 20:43 PDT, Brian Olson wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2004, at 8:34 PM, James Cooper wrote: > >> I'm a activist in Washington state who is interested in eliminating >> the plurality system here. We have a state-wid

Re: [EM] attempt of a grand compromise

2004-10-15 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Jobst wrote: > Below is an attempt to formulate a compromise proposal > which combines what I think are the most useful > ingredients to a good Condorcet method. -snip- > The GOALS are: -snip- > 2. DEFEATS >• Determine all defeats as usual. >• Strength of defeat X>Y > = number of v

[EM] Ted--Can AERLO be matched with one count?

2004-10-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Ted-- Thanks for your interesting posting about the possiblity of achieving what AERLO achieves, but with just one count. I've copied that posting, to check it out. But let me briefly comment now: It isn't as if AERLO requires two ballotings--it's just two counts, and that won't take a significa

[EM] names for Condorcet completion methods

2004-10-15 Thread Jeffrey C O'Neill
Could I get help with the proper names for various Condorcet completion methods? Assume that the Smith set has more than one candidate. I am looking for the names of the following completion methods: Baldwin (Borda-Elim) -- Eliminate candidate with lowest Borda score and repeat ??? -- Baldwin, b

Re: [EM] Approval vs. IRV

2004-10-15 Thread Eric Gorr
At 11:15 PM -0700 10/14/04, James Cooper wrote: could you explain the details of how ER-IRV (whole and fractional) are tabulated? I have Equal Ranking IRV Whole & Fractional implemented within my voting calculator. You should be able to discern how things get tabulated easily enough by selected