Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:19 +0100, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Paul, your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. Thanks for the pointer! Having a bit of difficulty finding a definition of MTM online, but there seems to be

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:39:57 +, Paul Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:19 +0100, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Paul, your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. For each of the n! possible

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:33:03 +, Paul Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:19 +0100, Markus Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. MTM is exactly equivalent to my method.

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Markus S wrote about Paul Crowley's proposed voting method: your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. I think of the name MTM as an old name for MAM, which stands for maximize affirmed majorities. To my ear, maximize affirmed

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Steve Eppley
Hi, Paul C asked: Does Eppley still read this list? Yes, sometimes. By the way, I prefer that my friends call me Steve. I'd be interested to know why he now favours MAM over MTM. I changed the name from MTM to MAM to sound more positive. I chose the tiebreaker for complete

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Steve, you wrote (5 Nov 2004): If he thinks it matters, hopefully Markus will tell us which MTM tiebreaker he has in mind. Your minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method has been defined here (23 Feb 2000):

Re: [EM] CIVS update

2004-11-05 Thread Dr . Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Andrew, On Nov 1, 2004, at 1:27 PM, Andrew Myers wrote: I thought people might be interested to know about some recent improvements to the Condorcet Internet Voting Service at http://www5.cs.cornell.edu/~andru/civs. * It now implements three different completion rules, including MAM, Beatpath

Re: [EM] New Condorcet/RP variant

2004-11-05 Thread Paul Crowley
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:09:24 -0800, Steve Eppley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Markus S wrote about Paul Crowley's proposed voting method: your Condorcet/RP variant sounds like Steve Eppley's minimize thwarted majorities (MTM) method. I think of the name MTM as an old name for MAM, which

Re: [EM] More easily hand-counting three-slot Condorcet

2004-11-05 Thread Kevin Venzke
Jobst, Thanks for taking the time to look at this idea. --- Jobst Heitzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : But the vector (0,1,1,0,0,1,0,0,0) is linearly independent from (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1), [...] Interesting, this is precisely what I ended up doing to convince myself that the magnitudes