Re: [EM] monotonicity and summability criteria

2005-01-17 Thread Russ Paielli
Russ Paielli 6049awj02-at-sneakemail.com |EMlist| wrote: It occurred to me a while back that the two criteria may be equivalent. That is, if a method passes monotonicity, perhaps it must also pass summability, and vice versa. That's just a hunch. Can anyone prove (or disprove) it? Let me partial

Re: [EM] monotonicity and summability criteria

2005-01-17 Thread Daniel Bishop
Russ Paielli wrote: I have an "off the wall" question that some of the math geniuses on this list might find interesting. Before its recent modification, the ElectionMethods.org website had a page called "Technical Evaluation of Election Methods." Two of the criteria listed on that page were mo

[EM] monotonicity and summability criteria

2005-01-17 Thread Russ Paielli
I have an "off the wall" question that some of the math geniuses on this list might find interesting. Before its recent modification, the ElectionMethods.org website had a page called "Technical Evaluation of Election Methods." Two of the criteria listed on that page were monotonicity and summa

Re: [EM] "Majority Opposition" criterion

2005-01-17 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- MIKE OSSIPOFF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > I welcome other criteria too, including any by you that accomplish something > similar to WDSC & SDSC without mentioning preference. I think I will take this opportunity to propose the "Majority Opposition" criterion. I think it's easy to u

[EM] Re: approval strategy (Russ Paielli)

2005-01-17 Thread Alex Small
Russ-   I would think that the strategy is straight-forward:  If the Green is one of the top 2 contenders in pre-election polls then the Green's supporters should vote for the Green and anybody they prefer to the Green.  Of course, strategic adjustments can then change the dynamics of the race, and

Re: [EM] approval defection; another easy method

2005-01-17 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi, --- Russ Paielli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > But now let's say that Approval has been in use for several election > cycles, and the Green is starting to catch up to the Democrat. Well, the > Green Party will certainly urge their supporters to drop their vote for > that pesky Democrat.

Re: [EM] approval strategy

2005-01-17 Thread Russ Paielli
Let me try my first "normal" post. At the risk of repeating a point that has probably already been made many times in the past ... Voter strategy in Approval will be simple at first, but it could become very difficult later. Simple formulas are nice, but they cannot resolve the dilemma that vot

Re: [EM] approval strategy

2005-01-17 Thread Forest Simmons
From: Anthony Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] approval strategy My favourite approval strategy to recommend generally is "vote for your strategic plurality candidate and every candidate you like better." (suggested to me by Marc LeBlanc) Besides Kevin's suggestion (approve everybody that

Re: [EM] Very brief Russ reply

2005-01-17 Thread Russ Paielli
Paul Kislanko kislanko-at-airmail.net |EMlist| wrote: Would you guys both take the discussion offlist? Please? I understand your frustration, but let me remind you that Mike started this feud on EM with his posting that "electionmethods.org is cancelled." That bold assertion in itself should tell

[EM] Re: electionmethods website is cancelled]

2005-01-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
STILL NEED A COMMITTEE! On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:31:59 -0800 Russ said: Given all that, I am willing to consider handing over control of the domain to an election-methods expert who agrees, more or less, with the current position of the site and likes the basic layout but would like to develop

[EM] Caveats for people working on alternative election methods

2005-01-17 Thread Alex Small
I liked electionmethods.org when I first came across it.  I learned a lot from the site.  I have recommended it to people over the last few years.   I could think of various places where I might disagree with one or both of the relevant people on off-topic matters, as well as places where I might e

RE: [EM] Very brief Russ reply

2005-01-17 Thread Paul Kislanko
Would you guys both take the discussion offlist? Please? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of MIKE OSSIPOFF > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [EM] Very brief Russ reply > > > Russ said: > >

[EM] Very brief Russ reply

2005-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Russ said: I made the mistake of trying to persuade him that the 9/11 attacks were unlikely to have been planned and organized by someone involved with the Bush Administration. However, I cannot "prove" that it wasn't, which apparently means to Mike that I have tried and failed to "refute" this con

Re: [EM] electionmethods.org idea?

2005-01-17 Thread Bjarke Dahl Ebert
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:03:49 -0800, Dan Keshet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a little presumptious of me to make suggestions regarding > electionmethods.org as I have nothing invested in it, but I think it would be > good to turn it into an election methods wiki. Incidentally, I brought up

Re: [EM] Russ's overlong, off-topic poting

2005-01-17 Thread Russ Paielli
Well, there you have it folks, straight from the "horse's mouth." I don't think a reply is even necessary, but I would like to make a few points anyway. Mike is a very intelligent person, but I think he fails to understand a some very basic concepts. I made the mistake of trying to persuade him

Re: [EM] electionmethods.org idea?

2005-01-17 Thread Eric Gorr
Dan Keshet wrote: > This is a little presumptious of me to make suggestions regarding > electionmethods.org as I have nothing invested in it, but I think > it would be good to turn it into an election methods wiki. I like this idea. Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em

[EM] electionmethods.org idea?

2005-01-17 Thread Dan Keshet
This is a little presumptious of me to make suggestions regarding electionmethods.org as I have nothing invested in it, but I think it would be good to turn it into an election methods wiki. Why a wiki would be useful: 1) Unlike a static committee, a wiki allows new contributors to get their fe

[EM] Smith set

2005-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
A preliminary definition: X is publicly preferred to Y if more people prefer X to Y than vice-versa. X beats Y if more people rank X over Y than Y over X. The _sincere_ Smith set is smallest set of candidates such that they're all publicly preferred to everyone outside the set. [end of sincere S

[EM] Information needed to apply WDSC & SDSC

2005-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Kevin-- You wrote: These are Mike Ossipoff's SDSC and WDSC. I prefer the wording I used since it can be applied even when sincere preferences are unknown.) I reply: No one's actual preferences need to be known in order to apply WDSC and SDSC. For instance, I've demonstrated here that IRV fails b

[EM] Russ's overlong, off-topic poting

2005-01-17 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Russ posted: Dear EM subscribers, I just joined this list to reply to a post regarding me and my website http://ElectionMethods.org. Some of this post may be off-topic, but I am replying to a post that went off-topic regarding me, so I feel that I should have an opportunity to reply. I reply: No, m