Re: [EM] Very brief Russ reply

2005-01-18 Thread Russ Paielli
MIKE OSSIPOFF nkklrp-at-hotmail.com |EMlist| wrote: Russ continued: But it goes way beyond that. In the course of our discussions, I sent Mike a link about an analysis of the WTC collapse by a prestigious team of perhaps dozens of structural engineering experts. I don't have the link handy, but I

Re: [EM] approval strategy

2005-01-18 Thread Kevin Venzke
Russ, --- Russ Paielli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > I'm replying to myself because I would like to expand on the point I was > making. > > A couple of proposals were made to alleviate the voting dilemma I > pointed out above. I did not reply to them because I honestly don't know > if they

Re: [EM] approval strategy

2005-01-18 Thread Russ Paielli
Russ Paielli 6049awj02-at-sneakemail.com |EMlist| wrote: Voter strategy in Approval will be simple at first, but it could become very difficult later. Simple formulas are nice, but they cannot resolve the dilemma that voters could eventually face. Let's say that Approval has just been adopted. W

Re: [EM] approval scenarios, part 1

2005-01-18 Thread Bart Ingles
James Green-Armytage wrote: Here is the first situation I have concocted. It is a relatively straightforward one, not specifically designed to lead to any specific result. There are three candidates: Left, Center, and Right (L, C, and R for short.) L and R are the candidates from well-established

Re: [EM] Another method idea

2005-01-18 Thread Daniel Bishop
Forest Simmons wrote: Ballots are ordinal rankings or cardinal ratings. Any candidate with more than average first place rankings or ratings gets a point. Any candidate with fewer than average last place (or truncated) rankings or ratings gets a point or an additional point. The candidate with

[EM] Improving Approval Strategy posting

2005-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Some assumptions of enhanced Best Frontrunner strategy (replacing my previous posting): 1. If there's a tie or near-tie it will be between only 2 candidates. Valid assumption in public election. Food assumption in committees. 2. Since you prefer F1 to F2, and they're the likely top 2, you vote

Re: [EM] The truth about Instant Runoff Voting

2005-01-18 Thread Dave Ketchum
I left in the original text, to show the changes. To read as revised, delete the indicated number of original pars when you see "R 1", "R 2", etc. On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:40:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is something I posted on an anti-war list in response > to the post of an editorial adv

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy

2005-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
A better definition of "tied or near-tied" is: For a parrticular voter, two candidates are tied or near-tied if, by voting for one of them and not for the other, that voter could make or break a tie for first place between them. [end of definition] In the inequalities in my previous posting, I

Re: [EM] Re: approval strategy (Russ Paielli)

2005-01-18 Thread Kevin Venzke
Ralph, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Many comments about approval strategy have made little sense > to me, because they ignore the fact that strong supporters of a > particular candidate can have very divergent views about other > candidates. > > Given the great diversity of voter opinions o

[EM] Approval Strategy

2005-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
It's true that no Approval strategy formula is useful for everyone, or even every progressive. Certainly I disagree with most progressives' Plurality strategy, which I claim is based on unreliable information. But even if it were true that Kerry were the best that we could get, I still wouldn't

[EM] The Smith set

2005-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
But doesn't that wikipedia definition define the Smith set in terms of sincere preferences? The Smith set is defined in terms of actual pairwise-defeats based on votes. The _sincere_ Smith set is the one that is based on sincere preferences. We discussed Smith set algorithms on EM some years a

[EM] The ambiguously reworded definitions

2005-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Russ said: Beyond that, he cited bogus excuses for canceling the site, such as my re-worded definitions. I reply: That wasn't bogus. Perhaps you're forgetting that you're posting to the mailing list where your sloppified definitions were criticized. Your befuddled and ambiguous wordings were well

[EM] Another method idea

2005-01-18 Thread Forest Simmons
Ballots are ordinal rankings or cardinal ratings. Any candidate with more than average first place rankings or ratings gets a point. Any candidate with fewer than average last place (or truncated) rankings or ratings gets a point or an additional point. The candidate with the most points wins.

Re: [EM] approval scenarios, part 1

2005-01-18 Thread Forest Simmons
From: "James Green-Armytage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> because of unfamiliarity (and a sense that C's party is less well-equipped to govern than the major parties), but most people prefer C to their least favorite major party candidate, and C also develops a substantial core following of his own. Below

[EM] Re: approval strategy (Russ Paielli)

2005-01-18 Thread RLSuter
Many comments about approval strategy have made little sense to me, because they ignore the fact that strong supporters of a particular candidate can have very divergent views about other candidates. Using the 2004 U.S. presidential election as an example, supporters each candidate, from the social

[EM] approval scenarios, part 1

2005-01-18 Thread James Green-Armytage
Dear Mike Ossipoff, you wrote: >Approval quickly homes in on the voter median, and then stays there. >Condorcet goes directly to the voter median in its 1st election. Approval >& >CR do so in thei r 2nd election. That's the price of simplicity and easy >proposability. I reply: This is a

Re: [EM] monotonicity and summability criteria

2005-01-18 Thread Daniel Bishop
Russ Paielli wrote: Russ Paielli 6049awj02-at-sneakemail.com |EMlist| wrote: It occurred to me a while back that the two criteria may be equivalent. That is, if a method passes monotonicity, perhaps it must also pass summability, and vice versa. That's just a hunch. Can anyone prove (or disprove