Re: [EM] Raynaud

2005-03-18 Thread James Green-Armytage
Hi Chris, Good to hear from you! Some replies follow... I agree with your positive remarks about Raynaud here. I regard Raynaud(Gross Loser) as one of the easy-to-explain contenders. I agree that Raynaud is easy to explain. I don't know about Gross Loser, though... Winning

Re: [EM] Re: majority rule, mutinous pirates, and voter strategy

2005-03-18 Thread James Green-Armytage
Hi, this is James G-A replying to Juho... My assumption was that the fact that there are four parties of about equal size was known. Since I at some point said that these pirates would be from different countries, maybe also the exact number of people in each party is known. In most elections

[EM] Re: majority rule vs. maximum approval (was: least additional votes)

2005-03-18 Thread James Green-Armytage
James G-A replying to Forest I should have made it more clear that I wasn't talking exclusively about 100% consensus, though that is the (usually impossible) democratic ideal. But the greater the consensus, the better. If no significant consensus is possible, then (as Jobst argued) the best we

[EM] Raynaud

2005-03-18 Thread Chris Benham
James G-A, You wrote (Fri.Mar.18): I agree that Raynaud is easy to explain. I don't know about Gross Loser, though... Winning votes is most intuitive to me. "This candidate was opposed by 60% of voters in a pairwise contest! Eliminate him! Bam!" I guess the GL equivalent would be "This

[EM] Definite Majority Choice, first round public proposal (draft)

2005-03-18 Thread Araucaria Araucana
Below is a draft of a first round proposal for a single general-election voting method replacement. Comments humbly requested. Could the explanation be made any clearer? As discussed previously, Definite Majority Choice (hat-tip to Forest for the name) is just another name for Ranked Approval

[EM] Re: majority rule, mutinous pirates, and voter strategy

2005-03-18 Thread Juho Laatu
Hello James, Sorry about causing some gray hair to you. I think the problem is that we drove into two alternative tracks in the discussion and my text, when trying to address both of these, was not clear. I hope this mail improves the situation a bit. The two tracks that I see are one where we

Re: [EM] One more comment on Kevin's example

2005-03-18 Thread Kevin Venzke
Mike, --- MIKE OSSIPOFF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin-- You suggested that there could be a method in which a majority, who have transitive strict preferences among all the candidates, could ensure that some Y won't win, by alternately voting and = in their rankings. You said that's

[EM] Re: majority rule vs. maximum approval (was: least additional votes)

2005-03-18 Thread Forest Simmons
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, James Green-Armytage wrote: James G-A replying to Forest I should have made it more clear that I wasn't talking exclusively about 100% consensus, though that is the (usually impossible) democratic ideal. But the greater the consensus, the better. If no significant consensus is

[EM] Re: Definite Majority Choice, first round public proposal (draft)

2005-03-18 Thread Araucaria Araucana
On 18 Mar 2005 at 11:01 PST, Araucaria Araucana wrote: Below is a draft of a first round proposal for a single general-election voting method replacement. Comments humbly requested. Could the explanation be made any clearer? To facilitate collaboration on this proposal, I've started an

Re: [EM] Re: majority rule vs. maximum approval (was: least additional votes)

2005-03-18 Thread James Green-Armytage
Dear Forest Simmons, Replies follow... What I mean is the degree of consent. If you can get 85 percent of the people to agree that plan A is an acceptable alternative, then I consider that an 85 percent consensus. I do understand what you're saying, but I'm still not totally

Re: [EM] Re: majority rule, mutinous pirates, and voter strategy

2005-03-18 Thread James Green-Armytage
Hi Juho, Further replies follow on the topic of Smith methods vs. minimax(margins)... Sorry about causing some gray hair to you. Sorry about being peevish in my reply. track one one where we talk about dynamics of sequential mutinies and how the

[EM] Markus, 19 March, '05, 0230 GMT

2005-03-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I tried to post this last night, but found that it didn't arrive, and so I'm re-sending it: Dear Markus-- You said: I wrote (16 March 2005): I replied that it cannot be said that you proposed wv methods in general because you didn't propose a general concept. You wrote (17 March 2005):

[EM] Kevin, 19 March, '05, 0330 GMT

2005-03-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Kevin-- I'd said: You suggested that there could be a method in which a majority, who have transitive strict preferences among all the candidates, could ensure that some Y won't win, by alternately voting and = in their rankings. You said that's a silly way of voting, and that, because a silly

[EM] Demonstrations that BeatpathWinner meets WDSC SFC

2005-03-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
WDSC's premise says that a majority of the voters prefer X to Y. WDSC's requirement says that they must have a way to ensure that Y loses, without reversing a preference. If that majority rank X over Y, then Y has a majority defeat. A majority defeat is a 1-defeat majority beatpath.

[EM] Chris, equal-ranking incentive

2005-03-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Chris-- I object far more to the equal-rank near the top incentive that exists for some voters (including zero-info. voters) in equal-ranking allowed Winning Votes defeat-dropper. I reply: Remember that it's been shown that every nonrandom method gives some kind of incentive for strategic