Re: [EM] Voting as duty (was ties truncation)

2005-09-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 05:17 PM 9/14/2005, Simmons, Forest wrote: (1) Pick 400 registered voters at random. Give them time off work, and have them study the candidates carefully and decide a tentative winner by some reputable method (like DMC, Shulze, Approval, Asset Voting, etc.) It will definitely be worth

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet's strategy problem

2005-09-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 07:11 PM 9/14/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, among the things that would happen should an accurate polling be sufficient to successfully strategically vote would be the creation of voters who would no longer supply accurate information to the poll takers. Many of those

Re: [EM] Rob: Condorcet's strategy problem

2005-09-15 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 01:34 AM 9/15/2005, Rob Lanphier wrote: My main goal is to correctly find the candidate who would beat every other candidate in a head-to-head election, because I believe that candidate is likely the best candidate for the position. As I have written, there seems to be two distinct

[EM] Re: Condorcet's strategy problem

2005-09-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Rob-- You wrote: I'd said: Nasty enough to make voters bury their favorite? Nope. That incentive will never exist withApproval or Range Voting. You replied: That wasn't what I was referring to. Where do I draw the Approval line? I reply: That's what makes Approval more fun. You

[EM] A few brief replies

2005-09-15 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I suggested the power-truncation option as a way of further removing strategy dilemma from the FBC-complying rank methods. If you mark the power-truncation box on your ballot, then everyone whom you don't rank is scored as if you'd ranked _all_ of the other candidates over him/her. So power

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet's strategy problem

2005-09-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
Big thing I read from this is that if voters fail to rank sincerely, they need some crash education. Perhaps plotters can profit from carefully planned insincere votes, but any other deviation from sincerity is suicide. DWK On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:38:31 + MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: Adam--

Re: [EM] Voting as duty (was ties truncation)

2005-09-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
Puzzling where this comes from. If the voters are to vote, they still need to decide who to vote for. These committees look like a lot of work - remember that there are many elections on a normal election day - some perhaps with districts as small as one precinct. Cure for this nonsense is

Re: [EM] Re: Condorcet's strategy problem

2005-09-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Mike, I'm going to respond a little out of order. On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 01:23 +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: But you haven't shown that the way I would vote in a Condorcet election is stupid. Saying it isn't enough. [...] Let's not sling namecalling around unless we can show that it's true.