[EM] Re: approval strategy in DMC (automated)

2005-09-14 Thread Chris Benham
Q, I've made a slight change on the DMC page on electowiki. I've extended the definition somewhat: the ballot is a combination of ordinal ranking (equal ranks allowed) and approval rating. The approval rating information can be either binary approval (approved/not-approved) or finer-grained

[EM] Re: approval strategy in DMC

2005-09-13 Thread Araucaria Araucana
Simmons, Forest simmonfo at up.edu writes: Jeff Fisher recently opined that DMC voters would likely adopt the strategy of approving all candidates that they considered certain to be beaten pairwise by their Favorite. This would put these candidates in a better position to doubly

[EM] RE: approval strategy in DMC

2005-09-09 Thread Simmons, Forest
Title: Re: [Condorcet] Can we come to consensus? Jeff Fisher recently opined that DMC voters would likely adopt the strategy of approving all candidates that theyconsidered certainto be beatenpairwise by their Favorite. This would put these candidatesin a better position to doubly defeat

Re: [EM] RE: Approval strategy in close three-way race?

2005-08-16 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 05:05 PM 8/15/2005, Simmons, Forest wrote: Unsophisticated voters might have to rely on the advice of their favorite candidate or some other trusted advisor when they don't have a strong feeling for approval and disapproval. So, in 1992, had the voting method been Approval, Ross Perot

[EM] RE: Approval strategy in close three-way race?

2005-08-15 Thread Simmons, Forest
The approval strategy that maximizes voting power (thus minimizing the probability of an approval voter's regret) in a close three way race is this: First decide your preference order among the three major candidates, say ABC. Of course you should approve A and leave C unapproved. Approve B

Re: [EM] Re: Approval strategy reply

2005-02-23 Thread Russ Paielli
MIKE OSSIPOFF nkklrp-at-hotmail.com |EMlist| wrote: I´d said: Many strategies can be related to Weber's strategy of voting for candidates with positive strategic value, according to Weber's strategic value formula. But that doesn't make them the same strategy, as we've been using the term

[EM] Re: Approval strategy reply

2005-02-22 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I´d said: Many strategies can be related to Weber's strategy of voting for candidates with positive strategic value, according to Weber's strategic value formula. But that doesn't make them the same strategy, as we've been using the term here. Only Russ claims that to vote for whichever of the

Re: [EM] Re: Approval Strategy in the Three Competitive Party case.

2005-01-29 Thread Russ Paielli
Forest Simmons simmonfo-at-up.edu |EMlist| wrote: From: Russ Paielli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Rewording Strategy A (BF(1st)) Forest Simmons simmonfo-at-up.edu |EMlist| wrote: Departing from Strategy A, we offer the following refinement in the same spirit: For each candidate C, if you

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy in the Three Competitive Party case.

2005-01-28 Thread Forest Simmons
From: Russ Paielli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Rewording Strategy A (BF(1st)) Forest Simmons simmonfo-at-up.edu |EMlist| wrote: Departing from Strategy A, we offer the following refinement in the same spirit: For each candidate C, if you think the winner is more likely to come from the

[EM] Re: approval strategy (Russ Paielli)

2005-01-20 Thread RLSuter
Kevin, I think my message was prompted by Alex Small's message, but I wasn't replying specifically to him or to Russ Paielli. Rather, I was trying to say that many comments I've read on this list about how supporters of particular candidates should vote stratetgically in approval elections make

Re: [EM] Re: approval strategy (Russ Paielli)

2005-01-20 Thread Kevin Venzke
Ralph, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Because it would be next to impossible for any approval strategy formula to account for all these differences, I'm skeptical about all formulas that purport to express ideal strategies for supporters of particular candidates. Before one can hope to

[EM] Re: approval strategy (Russ Paielli)

2005-01-18 Thread RLSuter
Many comments about approval strategy have made little sense to me, because they ignore the fact that strong supporters of a particular candidate can have very divergent views about other candidates. Using the 2004 U.S. presidential election as an example, supporters each candidate, from the

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy

2005-01-18 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
A better definition of tied or near-tied is: For a parrticular voter, two candidates are tied or near-tied if, by voting for one of them and not for the other, that voter could make or break a tie for first place between them. [end of definition] In the inequalities in my previous posting, I

[EM] Re: approval strategy

2005-01-10 Thread Forest Simmons
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:42:29 -0800 From: Michael A. Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EM] Question/Strategic Approval Voting Mike wrote: I've been bouncing back and forth between Range and Approval voting for the past couple of days, trying to see how each is affected by strategy. I

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy A- Question for Rob LeGrand

2003-11-25 Thread Dgamble997
Kevin Venzke wrote: I would guess that any single-winner method which produces proportional results on the whole, is actually producing garbage results, if you focus on any particular district. Consider Random Ballot to see what I'm getting at. Yes Random Ballot, randomly selecting a ballot

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy A- Question for Rob LeGrand

2003-11-24 Thread Rob LeGrand
Forest wrote: CRAB stands for Cumulative Repeated Approval Balloting. The ballot-by-ballot mode is automatically Cumulative. The batch mode of Lorrie Cranor is not cumulative. That's correct. I wasn't clear that I wasn't talking about CRAB in my last post. I believe that CRAB will

Re: [EM] Re: Approval Strategy A- Question for Rob LeGrand

2003-11-22 Thread Forest Simmons
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Rob LeGrand wrote: David wrote: Thanks for the information. So am I right in thinking that strategy A gets to the Condorcet winner by a process of iteration. In response to a series of Approval polls the voters alter their choices and end up voting in such a way that

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy A- Question for Rob LeGrand

2003-11-22 Thread Dgamble997
Kevin Venzke wrote: Are you looking to show that Plurality, for example, is more likely to be proportional than Condorcet? Random Ballot is easily more proportional than that. Better yet, put a PR method in your model. The one thing the model has demonstrated clearly than anything else is the

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy A- Question for Rob LeGrand

2003-11-21 Thread Rob LeGrand
David wrote: Thanks for the information. So am I right in thinking that strategy A gets to the Condorcet winner by a process of iteration. In response to a series of Approval polls the voters alter their choices and end up voting in such a way that they elect the Condorcet winner. Or is it

[EM] Re: Approval Strategy A- Question for Rob LeGrand

2003-11-20 Thread Rob LeGrand
David wrote: A 380approve A AB 28 approve AB AC 9approve AC B 80 approve B BA 2 approve B BC 133 approve B C 4 approve C CA 13approve AC CB 351 approve C This gives the following result in the Approval election: A 432 winner B 243 C 377 C is