Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-24 Thread Adam Tarr
Steve Eppley wrote: Dave K wrote: AND, they express dislike for Condorcet by their example voting procedure for preferential voting - the procedure shared by IRV and Condorcet. I doubt their omission of Condorcet was an expression of dislike for Condorcet. Remember, that section was written

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-24 Thread Steve Eppley
Adam T wrote: Steve Eppley wrote: -snip- Right, we're defining Condorcet as a family of voting procedures that accept preference orders from the voters and elect the Condorcet winner, if there is one, given those votes. So... really, this is Condorcet. Condorcet just means a voting

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread Philippe Errembault
Green-Armytage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:36 AM Subject: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument? Has anyone clearly advanced this pro-Condorcet argument? I think that it is devastating to methods which are not Condorcet efficient. If someone else has made

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread James Green-Armytage
Sorry, I meant PR (Proportionnal represention) Oh, okay. Yeah, I was just talking about single-winner. PR is a totally different problem. I really don't think so. Please note that I'm only talking about situations where there is a sincere Condorcet winner. If there is no sincere CW,

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread Adam Tarr
At 05:37 PM 8/23/2004 -0400, Warren Schudy wrote: On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, James Green-Armytage wrote: BASIC STATEMENT: If there is a Condorcet winner with regard to the sincere preference rankings of voters, and the voting method is plurality, then the Vote is only at equilibrium when the

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
James Green-Armytage wrote: BASIC STATEMENT: If there is a Condorcet winner with regard to the sincere preference rankings of voters, and the voting method is plurality, then the Vote is only at equilibrium when the Condorcet winner is selected. If casual observers could understand and believe

Re: [EM] ironclad pro-Condorcet argument?

2004-08-23 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:29:48 -0700 Steve Eppley wrote: Hi, James G-A wrote: Has anyone clearly advanced this pro-Condorcet argument? I think that it is devastating to methods which are not Condorcet efficient. -snip- If there is a Condorcet winner with regard to the sincere