Re: [EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-28 Thread Forest Simmons
I would just like to point out that median rating is to range voting as Bucklin is to Borda. This was noted back in the days when we first considered Majority Choice Approval (Bucklin based on CR ballots of resolution 3), and were exploring to see if there might be any fruitful generalization

Re: [EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-27 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Folks! Let me summarize before giving a new argument in favor of the median: After Mike brought up the term social utility and seemed to identify it with sum of individual utilities, I wrote: The median is a simpler, more accurate, and more robust measure of social utility than the

Re: [EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-27 Thread Bart Ingles
Jobst Heitzig wrote: Let me restate the problem I addressed by this: How can we answer the question of how much a candidate is worth for society (=social utility) by means of the answers the voters gave to the question of how much that candidate is worth for them (=individual utility). Maybe the

Re: [EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-26 Thread James Green-Armytage
Ah. Good points, CF and Daniel. I guess I can see why the median rating method isn't very popular. The non-independence of spoiled ballots and Rob's bizarre example both seem like pretty major strikes against it. Still might be fun to play with, though... my best, James Election-methods

[EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-25 Thread James Green-Armytage
So I suggest to measure social utility by the LOWER QUARTILE of the individual utilities (= that utility value where one quarter of the voters is below and three quarters of the voters are above). Perhaps this will even make CR a somewhat more strategy-resistant method since we use a much more

Re: [EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-25 Thread Fan de Condorcet
James, You wrote: Given sincere votes, this may be interesting, but if votes are not necessarily sincere, it would be quite possible for all candidates to receive a social utility of 0. That is, the lower quartile feature makes the method into a kind of 3/4 supermajority method. However, scoring

Re: [EM] median rating / lower quartile

2005-03-25 Thread Daniel Bishop
Fan de Condorcet wrote: James, You wrote: Given sincere votes, this may be interesting, but if votes are not necessarily sincere, it would be quite possible for all candidates to receive a social utility of 0. That is, the lower quartile feature makes the method into a kind of 3/4 supermajority