Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-24 Thread David GLAUDE
Eron Lloyd wrote: On Sunday November 23 2003 9:20 pm, Ken Johnson wrote: The summing and publication of vote subtotals for specific geographic regions (e.g. precincts or districts) is, in my view, a violation of voter secrecy. In Belgium, we are suppose to mix a minimum of 3 burreau before hand

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-24 Thread Eron Lloyd
On Sunday November 23 2003 9:20 pm, Ken Johnson wrote: > This is a follow-up to EM Vol 1, #355, Message 1, Re: touch screen > voting machines > > Dave Ketchum wrote: > > ... > > I think of a voting machine as a unit that supports a single voter at > > a time, doing NO communication outside the room

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-18 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:46:11 +0100 David GLAUDE wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: We are getting in pretty deep here. I will repeat what I have said a few times: Vendor (whoever has this responsibility) writes program (whatever is standard and in common for all precincts using this program). M

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-18 Thread David GLAUDE
Dave Ketchum wrote: We are getting in pretty deep here. I will repeat what I have said a few times: Vendor (whoever has this responsibility) writes program (whatever is standard and in common for all precincts using this program). Maybe the whole issue with BlackBox Voting is that we privat

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:37:09 + Gervase Lam wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:28 -0500 From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? It depends on whether you do Disk-At-Once or Track-At-Once recording. If you do Disk-At-Once (i.e. write a

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:59:28 -0500 > From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? > > It depends on whether you do Disk-At-Once or Track-At-Once recording. > >  If you do Disk-At-Once (i.e. write all the ballots in on

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:37:00 - James Gilmour wrote: David GLAUDE asked: Once again as this list is dedicated to advanced voting/counting method. I would like to know which one are possible to handle with manual counting on large scale. Manual sorting and counting works OK for STV-PR in pub

RE: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-17 Thread James Gilmour
David GLAUDE asked: Once again as this list is dedicated to advanced voting/counting method. I would like to know which one are possible to handle with manual counting on large scale. Manual sorting and counting works OK for STV-PR in public elections. All electronic voting introduced for the

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-16 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:40:54 + Gervase Lam wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:24:57 -0500 From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David GLAUDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? Recording ONLY at the end was my assumption. Each record

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-16 Thread David GLAUDE
I think we should stop this talking about CD and DVD... I don't want to help you convince yourself that e-voting is the way to go. No technical trick will make Black Box Voting (even if some source code is open source) acceptable to any defender of democracy. I think a few step must be identifi

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-16 Thread Gervase Lam
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:24:57 -0500 > From: Dave Ketchum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: David GLAUDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights? >      Recording ONLY at the end was my assumption. >      Each record of votes is requi

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:42:21 +0100 David GLAUDE wrote: I did not reply to your DVD solution... One reason that it was technologicaly confusing. ;-) But thanks for coming in now. There is a limit to how big the original draft should be (else no one reads it all). Here are some attempt to define t

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread David GLAUDE
Forest Simmons wrote: Every four years the little guy is given a choice between Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber. If somebody will pay him twenty dollars for voting, why not let him get something out of the process? [...] All of you libertarians should support the right of anybody to sell his vote

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread Forest Simmons
Just to play devil's advocate for a minute ... why should the rich senators and congressmen be the only ones that can sell their votes? Every four years the little guy is given a choice between Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber. If somebody will pay him twenty dollars for voting, why not let him ge

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread David GLAUDE
I did not reply to your DVD solution... One reason that it was technologicaly confusing. ;-) Here are some attempt to define the best option: * The "booting" media must be read-only. * This media should be unique to that voting place and activated by a key. The key and the media should take separa

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:36:58 +0100 David GLAUDE wrote: Ernest Prabhakar wrote: On Nov 14, 2003, at 1:55 PM, David GLAUDE wrote: I think that before any electronic system get introduced, you need to carefull set the goal and define what democratic election are. I actually think that this is an

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread Anthony Duff
--- Ernest Prabhakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEMS (EVSs) > > 3. MUST allow me to verify that my vote was entered and counted > correctly No. This is bad. If you can verify your vote (after leaving the polling place) you can sell your vote. If y

Re: [EM] Electronic Voting Bill of Rights?

2003-11-15 Thread David GLAUDE
Ernest Prabhakar wrote: On Nov 14, 2003, at 1:55 PM, David GLAUDE wrote: I think that before any electronic system get introduced, you need to carefull set the goal and define what democratic election are. I actually think that this is an excellent point.We may disagree about how easy a tec