Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-14 Thread Forest Simmons
Dear Steve, what I once called "Approval Seeded Bubble Sort" but would now (for increased respectibility) call the "Local Kemenization of the Approval Order" is a member of the family of methods that satisfy your conditions (1) and (2). We initialize with the approval order and then, starting at

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-12 Thread Forest Simmons
Thanks for the clarifications. I should have been able to get your drift, but I was too tired or lazy at the time. You just gave me another use for dyadic ballots: One version of dyadic ballot looks like Nader (8) (4) (2) (1) Gore(8) (4) (2) (1) Bush(8) (

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-12 Thread Craig Carey
You wrote that MAM is similar to MIKE OSSIPOFF's SDSC. I now request the proof of that. Here is the definition of MIKE OSSIPOFF, who thinks like you since one of his rules is similar: http://www.electionmethods.org/evaluation.html _

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-11 Thread Kevin Venzke
--- Steve Eppley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Clearly B is the "approval" winner, if you interpret > being ranked > over the line as being "approved." (An > interpretation I think should > be avoided, since "approval" is a misleading > absolutist concept and > *relative* preferences are wha

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-11 Thread matt matt
he ballot list: perl ballot2tally.pl --approval_bonus 1 --zero_equalrank yourvotedballotlist -- Original Message -- * From: Kevin Venzke * Subject: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation * Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:35:46 -0800 My recent "MinMax"

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-11 Thread matt matt
he ballot list: perl ballot2tally.pl --approval_bonus 1 --zero_equalrank yourvotedballotlist -- Original Message -- * From: Kevin Venzke * Subject: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation * Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:35:46 -0800 My recent "MinMax"

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-11 Thread Steve Eppley
On 12 Mar 2003 at 0:33, Kevin Venzke wrote: > Forest Simmons wrote: > >I must be missing something. Could you give an > >example in which the approval winner is not the > >winner of the method? Here's an example: Suppose 100 voters vote on 2 candidates A & B as follows: 6040

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-11 Thread Kevin Venzke
Forest Simmons wrote: >I must be missing something. Could you give an >example in which the approval winner is not the >winner of the method? I don't think it's itself a method. It's a "family of voting methods" of them, like he said. The two rules specify what the ballot must look like, and w

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-11 Thread Forest Simmons
I must be missing something. Could you give an example in which the approval winner is not the winner of the method? Forest On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Steve Eppley wrote: > On 10 Mar 2003 at 11:36, Kevin Venzke wrote: > > My recent "MinMax" message concluded with a > > half-hearted attempt at a syste

Re: [EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-10 Thread Steve Eppley
On 10 Mar 2003 at 11:36, Kevin Venzke wrote: > My recent "MinMax" message concluded with a > half-hearted attempt at a system combining Approval > and Condorcet. I have a much better proposal now, > although I'm not entirely certain of its merits. -snip- I have another way of combining Approval a

[EM] Approval-Condorcet hybrid encouraging truncation

2003-03-10 Thread Kevin Venzke
My recent "MinMax" message concluded with a half-hearted attempt at a system combining Approval and Condorcet. I have a much better proposal now, although I'm not entirely certain of its merits. I'll continue to think about it, although I have some interesting implications already. The voter ran