Re: Fwd: [EM] Catchy goes Taxi Driver (watch my slow descent into frustration and brutality, prompted by the madness of another!) In-Reply-To:

2000-09-09 Thread David Catchpole
Mike ends his piece with a lovely bit criticising the agenda of "academics" (he doesn't have to go "all academics suck!" to prompt a response). I quoth- > But I don't say that Craig's above-quoted attitude is original with > him. Maybe Craig has just explained why the academics generally > don't

Re: Sets of vertices leads nowhere; Mike Ossipoff

2000-09-09 Thread David Catchpole
I just _do not get_ what Craig means by any of this. Can anyone help translate Craig's response? PS. I suspect that an example of an "IFPP-like" method is one where- -you work out the borda score of each candidate -exclude the candidate with the lowest Borda score -etc. I know it has a name, bu

Re: [EM] SARC definition improvement

2000-09-09 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, you wrote (9 Sep 2000): > Markus wrote (9 Sep 2000): > > You should drop SFC, GSFC, WDSC and SDSC. > > > > Consider the following two criteria: > > > > Criterion X: If a given candidate has the property Z, then he > > must be elected. > > > > Criterion Y: If a given candidate has the p

[EM] Steve has used those criteria.

2000-09-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Markus said: (4) You should drop WDSC, SDSC and SARC. These criteria are not intuitive. Even Steve Eppley who usually claims that he agrees with you doesn't use these criteria. Even Steve Eppley prefers Blake Cretney's terminology ("burying," "compromising," ...). Wrong again. Steve has use

[EM] Definition of voting A over B, or equal to B

2000-09-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
A voter votes A over B if he votes in a way so that it's possible to find a configuration of the other people's votes with which, if we delete from the ballots every candidate except for A & B, A wins if we include that voter's ballot, and A doesn't win if we don't include that voter's ballot. A

Re: [EM] SARC definition improvement

2000-09-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
>to my opinion, you should drop SFC, GSFC, WDSC, SDSC, FBC and SARC. First, I appreciate opinions being expressed, including yours. I mean that, because it's valuable to find out what others believe. Markus probably didn't mean that I should drop those criteria. What he must have meant is tha

Re: [EM] SARC definition improvement

2000-09-09 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Mike, to my opinion, you should drop SFC, GSFC, WDSC, SDSC, FBC and SARC. (1) You should drop FBC and SARC. Condorcet methods don't meet FBC or SARC. But in the website at http://home.pacbell.net/paielli/voting you promote Condorcet methods and not Approval Voting. Therefore there is no rea