As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and responsibilities
outside of elementary. That means that we're not always able to meet every
week and discuss every issue.
In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something that
needs to be run through you first for
Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic, whole-team
decision making process rather than a more centralized decision making
process?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
A decision that affects developers greatly was made without them even
knowing, left alone being able to influence the decision.
To be honest, the exact details of how we present the iso download on our
front page doesn't greatly effect developers. elementary is and always has
been open source;
That did not answer my question at all.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is
changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and
we're still providing a way for
Still, how is the revenue model just a webdesign decision?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
in the topic make the
On Jul 3, 2012 3:19 PM, Scott Ringwelski sgrin...@mtu.edu wrote:
Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this:
1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay your
developers.
That would obviously be very far down the line once elementary is a
As Cassidy and I have both been trying to say, there has been absolutely no
change whatsoever to our revenue model
It might be helpful if you could describe what you perceived our revenue
model to be in the past and what changes you have heard are happening.
As far as I am aware, the only change
Scott, you honestly sound like you're trolling at this point. We are
elementary. Replace we in every one of those instances with elementary
and perhaps it's more clear.
You say you can't rely on developers?
Nope. I'm saying elementary should not have to rely on the people who are
graciously
We are elementary. Replace we in every one of those instances with
elementary and perhaps it's more clear.
Last time I checked nobody knew what elementary was. When Dan was
asked this by Cassidy back in 2010 AFAIR, it was a philosophy. So, no,
s/we/elementary/ doesn't make things any more
Replace we with the elementary community then. I think it was pretty
clear what he meant.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Сергей Давыдов shnat...@gmail.com wrote:
We are elementary. Replace we in every one of those instances with
elementary and perhaps it's more clear.
Last time I checked
Trolling? Really? For the most part, council makes all of elementary's
decisions, and therefore represents elementary.
And besides, as Sergey said, replacing we with elementary makes some
pretty awkward sentences such as elementary doesn't ask the developers for
their input, but it does make
2012/7/4 Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org:
Replace we with the elementary community then. I think it was pretty
clear what he meant.
Also works with Scott's examples. And using a passive impersonal
construction (e.g. nobody is getting paid...) also works. Cool!
Still, Scott makes a valid
He didn't say it was, he said we haven't changed the revenue model, just
the web design.
On Jul 3, 2012 3:53 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen jaap...@gmail.com wrote:
Still, how is the revenue model just a webdesign decision?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote:
Yes
Now to you Sergey, I realize you are very passionate about what you do,
but sometimes you are too passionate about it as well. Cool down, don't
treaten with you leaving before having a open discussion with everyone, not
just one person(in this case Dan). Because that surely pissed off the
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