announcing thaiword.el?

2005-03-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Thanks for adding thaiword.el to the CVS. Shouldn't it be announced somehow in the NEWS file? Additionally, I think it would be a good idea to automatically use thai-forward-word and thai-backward-word (which are supersets of forward-word and backward-word, respectively) if `Thai' is selected as

`illegal' vs. `invalid'

2005-03-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Doing a grep search for `illegal' in the CVS tree of emacs I find many places where it should be `invalid' instead -- the same holds for `legal' which should often be replaced with `valid'. It's amazing for me as an Austrian to see that native English speakers normally don't make a clear distinct

Re: tpu-edt (was: term/bobcat still requires term/keyswap)

2005-03-23 Thread Richard Stallman
There's a bug in tpu-edt.el where it defines keys in the global-map on loading (e.g. when doing M-x customize-group RET emulations RET): For tpu-edt.el to do this really is a bug. Can someone fix that? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@g

Re: RMAIL slows

2005-03-23 Thread Richard Stallman
I am too overloaded to tell you step by step by email what debugger commands to type. Maybe someone else can do it. (gdb) p string1=0x40af4785 that told GDB to set the value of string1 to 0x40af4785. I don't think that's what you meant. (gdb) pr (88425796 . That got an erro

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Richard Stallman
A case-insensitive non-word search for `not' _should_ match `*Note'. I agree. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Two question about VC.

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I plan to make some updates to files.el, which I submitted earlier. But I have the following questions about VC. I guess _somebody_ must know the answer: 1. `(emacs)Branches' contains: Please note, however, that branches are only supported for RCS at the moment. I do not use branches mysel

RE: 2 character comment starter bug

2005-03-23 Thread Bielawski, Richard G.
> >> > (modify-syntax-entry ?\= "_ b12" st) ; comment start == > >> > >> Yes, it seems the problem is that your 2-char comment > sequence is made > >> of symbol-chars, so there are cases where the code does > things like "oh, > >> here's a symbol, let's skip it" without checking whether

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Juri Linkov wrote: Did you mean "Info-hide-note-references set to nil"? Yes. Isearch ignores text with `invisible' text properties and hidden overlays according to `buffer-invisibility-spec'. Info-search ignores Info files headers, header lines and Tag Table nodes. None of which

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Kim Storm wrote: Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, the fact that search does not match `see' when > Info-hide-note-references is enabled is also confusing, unless one > knows the internals of Info-hide-note-references. However, it would > be hard to do anything

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
> `*Note' _is_ a part of the text. It occurs in the output produced by > `makeinfo --plaintext', which, since it is entirely plain text, does > not have _any_ special markers. Anyway, rather than to argue over > terminology, the important thing is: the user sees it, search has to > find it. Note

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
> Info-search operates on plain text Info files without text properties > set by Info-fontify. > > How does that happen? Does Info-fontify sometimes fail to be called? Info-search searches the text on plain unfontified Info files (sometimes fontification remains on parts of the Info file

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-23 Thread David Kastrup
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> How 'bout the patch below which makes no assumption (that I know of) about >> substitute-in-file-name, and will thus work correctly even with weird >> magic file name handlers. > > Regarding performance of my code: I just bumped into a performance > pr

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > In my previous mail I intended to say: > >> And the results are that stuff is not found indeed when using >> isearch. > > Good! > >> query-replace-regexp, however, still finds it. > > Seems like a general prob

Re: 2 character comment starter bug

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
[ Please keep the discussions on the mailing-list. ] >> > (modify-syntax-entry ?\= "_ b12" st) ; comment start == >> >> Yes, it seems the problem is that your 2-char comment sequence is made >> of symbol-chars, so there are cases where the code does things like "oh, >> here's a symbol, let

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Kim F. Storm
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In my previous mail I intended to say: > And the results are that stuff is not found indeed when using isearch. Good! > query-replace-regexp, however, still finds it. Seems like a general problem with invisible text and replace. Should it be fixed? >

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Kim F. Storm
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, the fact that search does not match `see' when > Info-hide-note-references is enabled is also confusing, unless one > knows the internals of Info-hide-note-references. However, it would > be hard to do anything about that one. As I already sa

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> How 'bout the patch below which makes no assumption (that I know of) about > substitute-in-file-name, and will thus work correctly even with weird > magic file name handlers. Regarding performance of my code: I just bumped into a performance problem. The problem is that substitute-in-file-name c

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Kim F. Storm
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just patched up preview-latex to place the invisible property on the > overlays it creates (obviously, not the desired default behavior). > Now this is using overlays, not text properties, but the results > should be pretty much the same. > > And the r

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Actually, the fact that search does not match `see' when Info-hide-note-references is enabled is also confusing, unless one knows the internals of Info-hide-note-references. However, it would be hard to do anything about that one. As I already said, to me the _real_ bug is that the Info-hide-note

RE: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Drew Adams
> > `*Note' is a special tag, not part of the text. > `*Note' _is_ a part of the text. There are obviously different ways of looking at this, and the issue is not just one of terminology (what we decide to call "text" or "content"). Perhaps we can agree that some people and some progr

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Sorry for misspelling your name once more in my previous reply. I do not know why I keep doing this. Sincerely, Luc. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Yuri Linkov wrote: `*Note' is a special tag, not part of the text. `*Note' _is_ a part of the text. It occurs in the output produced by `makeinfo --plaintext', which, since it is entirely plain text, does not have _any_ special markers. Anyway, rather than to argue over terminology, the impo

Re: Putting auto-image-file-mode in Options menu

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
> So I think you should leave the function `image-mode' unchanged > and define a new function `image-mode-maybe' which does the new job. > Then the entries in auto-mode-alist can call `image-mode-maybe' > and `image-mode-maybe' can conditionally call `image-mode'. > > Want to try it that way? I do

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> `*Note' is a special tag, not part of the text. For instance, > Web browsers don't display tags, and don't allow them to interfere > while searching. Some browsers provide two search modes: search for > text including link text, and separate mode to search only link text. > And nobody asks for

Re: Possible change to startup.el

2005-03-23 Thread Richard Stallman
Below is an alist of locales and tutorial titles extracted from first lines of etc/TUTORIAL* files to put onto the link to the corresponding tutorial depending on the current locale: If we use that alist, we will have to maintain it every time we add a new tutorial file. So how about

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Richard Stallman
Info-search operates on plain text Info files without text properties set by Info-fontify. How does that happen? Does Info-fontify sometimes fail to be called? Anyway, when there are no such text properties, as far as I can see, there is no problem and no need for any change. Search wil

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
>It is easy to add a test for Info-hide-note-references, but I think it >would be more convenient to skip the `*Note ' tag even when it is visible. >Searching for "not" is too tiresome when search stops at every cross >reference. > > A search for `not' is going to stop at many place

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The current behavior annoys me because I make the French quotation mark > '«' insert '«  »' and put the point between the NBSP, because french > quotations should be « like this », and if auto-fill mode gets in my way > while I fill the quotation, I loose the NBSP. I find NBSP to be a source of

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-23 Thread Gaetan Leurent
Stefan wrote on 23 Mar 2005 14:34:51 +0100: >>> Maybe NBSP shouldn't have whitespace syntax. >> Whaaa? What syntax should it have instead? > > I guess punctuation. An NBSP *looks like* whitespace but its intended > behavior is to not be treated like whitespace (at leasst according to this > bug

Re: Possible change to startup.el

2005-03-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[CVS 2005-03-01] > Below is an alist of locales and tutorial titles [...] > > ("th". > "à") For this Thai text string (in UTF-8 encoding) I just get boxes. Doing `C-u C-x =' I see that the characters are taken from the `mule-unicode-0100-24ff' charset; the

Re: debug declaration.

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> (declare (debug (sexp form form form form form &optional stringp))) > X(define-generic-mode my-mode > (list ?# ?% (+ 50 9)) > (list "abba" "ebbe" (concat "ob" "bo")) > nil > X(list "\\.mm\\'")X > nil > "This is My mode.")X That's because when you execute the call to define-generic-m

Re: Antialiased text on X11

2005-03-23 Thread Jan D.
BTW, any time you make a branch tag, it's also good to make a corresponding non-branch `base' tag which is the trunk version the branch is relative too. This info is deducible (though tiresome to do) from the branch versions _until_ you decide to merge updates from the trunk, at which point it's

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Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Yuri Linkov wrote: It is easy to add a test for Info-hide-note-references, but I think it would be more convenient to skip the `*Note ' tag even when it is visible. Searching for "not" is too tiresome when search stops at every cross reference. A search for `not' is going to stop at m

Re: term/bobcat still requires term/keyswap

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> +(keyboard-translate ?\177 ?\^h) >>> +(keyboard-translate ?\^h ?\177) >> >> Doing it at top-level, means the change is applied when the file is read, >> which is contrary to coding conventions. > This is a terminal setup file, so doing it immediately is TRT here. Oh, right, sorry, I guess I

tpu-edt (was: term/bobcat still requires term/keyswap)

2005-03-23 Thread Johan Bockgård
Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Doing it at top-level, means the change is applied when the file is > read, which is contrary to coding conventions. There's a bug in tpu-edt.el where it defines keys in the global-map on loading (e.g. when doing M-x customize-group RET emulations RET): ;;;

Re: Special Characters on Mac Emacs

2005-03-23 Thread Sébastien Kirche
Le 23 Mar 2005, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu a dit : > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:18:02 -0600, Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > > To make Emacs display the stuff the following works: > > > (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec > > "-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-monaco, > >

debug declaration.

2005-03-23 Thread Lute Kamstra
I have problems writing a debug declaration for define-generic-mode. Maybe someone can help me? define-generic-mode is defined like this: (defmacro define-generic-mode (mode comment-list keyword-list font-lock-list auto-mode-list

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just to make sure: did you check that your patch works correctly when > Info-hide-note-references is nil, where `not' _should_ match `*Note'? > Personally, I have not had the time to follow this thread completely, > but at first view, nothing in this seem

Re: RMAIL slows

2005-03-23 Thread Robert J. Chassell
I am not sure what to do next. I tried this: You need to display the value of regexp in Lisp syntax. That is done with the pr command. The problem is that I saw (gdb) pr 17213013 which did not seem as useful. That is why I showed the results of (gdb) pp regexp=13

Re: org-mode: compatibility with viper, cua, and Emacs in general

2005-03-23 Thread Nic Ferrier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai =?iso-8859-15?Q?Gro=DFjohann?=) writes: > org-mode binds C- to move the current line down, but Emacs > generally binds this to forward-paragraph. IMVHO the two behaviors > are too different to match well: the general binding is a movement > command, the org mode binding cha

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Juri Linkov wrote: Info-search operates on plain text Info files without text properties set by Info-fontify. So it should rely on pure syntactical elements like `*Note ' tags. This is implemented in my latest patch. Just to make sure: did you check that your patch works correctly when

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. Set both `invisible' and `display' properties. It seems the >display engine ignores the `invisible' property when the `display' >property is present. But isearch still respects it. > > I agree that that way is the best--if we d

org-mode: compatibility with viper, cua, and Emacs in general

2005-03-23 Thread Kai Großjohann
First of all, let me say that org-mode is a way cool thing! The following are minor issues, really. org-mode has a number of keybindings on S-, but CUA mode uses S-. IMHO it would be useful to think of other bindings. (There are bindings for S-, S-, S- and S-, at least.) org-mode binds C- to m

Re: term/bobcat still requires term/keyswap

2005-03-23 Thread Andreas Schwab
Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> +(keyboard-translate ?\177 ?\^h) >> +(keyboard-translate ?\^h ?\177) > > Doing it at top-level, means the change is applied when the file is read, > which is contrary to coding conventions. This is a terminal setup file, so doing it immediately is TRT here.

Re: Possible change to startup.el

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Having the list of languages is good, but I think we also need to > include a message in the user's language (as derived from the current > locale), as others have suggested. Below is an alist of locales and tutorial titles extracted from first lines

Re: Auto-fill-mode bug: unbreakable space lost

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan
>> It seems the problem is due to `back-to-indentation' which skips chars with >> a "whitespace" syntax and NBSP does have whitespace syntax. >> Maybe NBSP shouldn't have whitespace syntax. > Whaaa? What syntax should it have instead? I guess punctuation. An NBSP *looks like* whitespace but its

Re: term/bobcat still requires term/keyswap

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan
> +(keyboard-translate ?\177 ?\^h) > +(keyboard-translate ?\^h ?\177) Doing it at top-level, means the change is applied when the file is read, which is contrary to coding conventions. Stefan ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org

Re: char syntax of the $ in $var

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan
>> in sh-mode: the $ in $test has syntax 2 = word in perl-mode >> syntax 10 = character quote and in cperl-mode it's 9 = escape. >> >> I think it should at least be unique (I prefer the sh-mode >> version as you can move the point across variables with M-f and M-b). I decided the quote syntax for

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Juri Linkov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Instead we can explicitly put an inivisible property together with the > display property on a priece of "hidden" text which should be ignored > by searches. That need a little work to check all uses of display > properties, but it doesn't break any old c

Re: lisp/emacs-lisp/debug.el patch.

2005-03-23 Thread David Kastrup
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's a patch to handle debug-on-entry for autoloaded functions and > compiled macros. > > The patch also solves a problem with cancel-debug-on-entry. > Currently, it signals an error for built-in functions, autoloaded > functions, and aliases that are

Re: Suspicious code in gnus-read-descriptions-file

2005-03-23 Thread Stefan
>> (defun gnus-parse-active () >> "Parse active info in the nntp server buffer." >> - (save-excursion >> -(set-buffer nntp-server-buffer) >> + (with-current-buffer nntp-server-buffer >> (goto-char (point-min)) > Are you sure that not saving (and restoring) point in > nntp-server-buffer doesn

lisp/emacs-lisp/debug.el patch.

2005-03-23 Thread Lute Kamstra
Here's a patch to handle debug-on-entry for autoloaded functions and compiled macros. The patch also solves a problem with cancel-debug-on-entry. Currently, it signals an error for built-in functions, autoloaded functions, and aliases that are not set to debug-on entry. The patch makes cancel-d

Re: Special Characters on Mac Emacs

2005-03-23 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:18:02 -0600, Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > To make Emacs display the stuff the following works: > (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec > "-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-monaco, > ascii:-apple-monaco-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75

Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Instead we can explicitly put an inivisible property together with > the display property on a priece of "hidden" text which should be > ignored by searches. That need a little work to check all uses of > display properties, but it doesn't break any old

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Re: Todays exercise of sanity (or does "see" really match "not"?)

2005-03-23 Thread Kim F. Storm
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It would be wrong for preview-latex, probably one of the most >> important applications extensively using the display property. >> >> With all due respect, I have not been shown a reason to consid

Re: char syntax of the $ in $var

2005-03-23 Thread Kim F. Storm
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In sh, the $ is not really part of the name, so having > emacs think it is can be quite annoying (the case that drives me nuts > is that dynamic-abbrev won't complete `$FO' based on a previous > `FOO_BAR=...'); this argues for giving the $ a n