Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-09 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/10/05, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The new TCP code is unlikely to be as problem free, so for the sake of > ensuring that what used to work still works, I'd recommend you write your > patch such that when the old code worked, it will work just as smoothly as > before OK, I'll

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I'd rather see "server-name" which could be a path to a unix socket (like >> now) or just a relative name of a unix socket (like now) or the name of >> a server to be found in ~/.emacs.servers. I.e. if there is no unix socket >> of that name, lookup ~/.emacs.servers for TCP servers. > Another

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> > In emacsclient.c I've got rid of all AF_UNIX stuff. >> Doesn't sound so good. I'd rather make it possible to choose between Unix >> and TCP sockets (default to Unix when possible, and TCP otherwise). > Oh. Well, the AF_UNIX code should be conditionally commented out on > Windows, or do you me

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/9/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would not > go so far as to label each person who does so as "unethical"--they > could be just negligent I'll settle for negligent any day, thanks ;-) -- /L/e/k/t/u __

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-08 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/9/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But what has that got to do with this, anyway? You said: > I would really like it if people would turn their attention > from this to the tasks listed in FOR-RELEASE. Which I took to mean, turn the attention from the changes to server/

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-08 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/9/05, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds very good. To the host, port, and auth, I'd add a "server > name" entry, which would default to "server", to reproduce the > socket-name thingy. OK. > > In emacsclient.c I've got rid of all AF_UNIX stuff. > Doesn't sound so good. I

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-08 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/9/05, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd rather see "server-name" which could be a path to a unix socket (like > now) or just a relative name of a unix socket (like now) or the name of > a server to be found in ~/.emacs.servers. I.e. if there is no unix socket > of that name, lo

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-08 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Don't you think that TCP servers on Windows taking 100% CPU is a bug worth fixing before the release? It is worth fixing if possible, though not quite as important because it only affects a non-free non-GNU-like system. But what has that got to do with this, anyway? I was responding to th

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Richard M. Stallman
What Bob has said in these messages is valid, and people who don't know it should learn it. However, it is true that the people on this list generally know these points. So I think the right way to mention them here is with a brief reminder, rather than an essay explaining the points as if to peo

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Richard M. Stallman
No. But that does not make us, the people who use and work with Windows, unethical. Our priorities are a bit different, that's all. To use Windows is participating in an unethical activity. I would not go so far as to label each person who does so as "unethical"--they could be just neglig

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-08 Thread Stefan Monnier
> server.el now creates an AF_INET socket, at an unspecified port. The > host address is local (127.0.0.1) unless the user customizes the > variable `server-host' to the IP or name to use to bind the socket. > The server generates a 64-byte random string (not random bytes, but > printable character

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perhaps I'm a bit trigger happy (this list has that effect on me > sometimes), but what you're saying dangerously treads the patronizing > border too, at least IM0. that's for you to decide; i write w/ neither up nor down intention. > I don't enti

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Lennart Borgman
Robert J. Chassell wrote: It is important ... Maybe you can ... send us the link? I would be interested and I would try to give you feedback. Please take a look at http://www.teak.cc/softfree/software-freedom.html and http://www.rattlesnake.com/notions/Choice-and-Constrai

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Robert J. Chassell
It is important ... Maybe you can ... send us the link? I would be interested and I would try to give you feedback. Please take a look at http://www.teak.cc/softfree/software-freedom.html and http://www.rattlesnake.com/notions/Choice-and-Constraint.html (and some of the

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Robert J. Chassell
One point that feels mysterious when you are new to these is the storing. Is this the same for all different mail agents in Emacs? The Emacs Lisp values should all be stored by Emacs the same way. Emacs is a virtual lisp machine. Everything that is in an Emacs Lisp expression is interpr

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 08 Aug 2005 08:17:05 -0400, Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it is good that you know what kinds of things you find insulting, the > trick now is to use this self-knowledge to munge what you can munge. Perhaps I'm a bit trigger happy (this list has that effect on me sometimes), bu

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However, I tend to assume that people on the Emacs developers' list > already knows such things this is not guaranteed. even if it were guaranteed, it is not guaranteed a universal reaction to exposure to already-known things. (the traffic on thi

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Stephan Stahl
Hi Lennart. Lennart Borgman said: > Another mysterious point is the settings for different mail agents. The > setting above seems to suggest that this if for RMAIL only? Is that the > case? If not why are for example rmail-pop-password not called just > mail-pop-password? It does not really look

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-08 Thread Lennart Borgman
Stephan Stahl wrote: From looking at the code (M-x load-library rmail, C-h v rmail-pop-password and clicking on "Defined in rmail") this variable is rmail specific. With so many choices regarding mail clients in emacs its maybe best that they are not based on a global variable. Thanks, but I

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/7/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Yes, it's my turn to preach ;-) FWIW, I like your preaching a lot. Thanks. (And yes, enough of this, at least from my quarters.) /L/e/k/t/u ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emac

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/7/05, Robert J. Chassell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By providing resources to a government-enforced monopoly that [...] > do not know you or your conditions; only that you are hurting me and > people I know. Thanks for not saying anything new. Again. I think we're both ready to drop thi

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Lennart Borgman
Robert J. Chassell wrote: As far as I can see, `mail-host-address' is irrelevant when `user-mail-address' is set. Perhaps, I should just avoid setting it at all. Thanks for the clarification. Then the variables that that I think are salient to a .emacs file and that should be the same reg

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:51:18 + (UTC) > From: "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I wish you would help more to change laws and social customs that > apply to `high initial/low incremental' cost activities rather than > support, even just a little, inethic

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Lennart Borgman
Robert J. Chassell wrote: Law and social customs that apply to `high initial/high incremental' cost goods should not be applied to items with low incremental costs. But they are. Partly this is because of social and legal inertia. Partly this is because people don't know a better way to fund

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Robert J. Chassell
... Or are you referring to the fact that I do use Windows? By providing resources to a government-enforced monopoly that restricts what people I know and what I can do, you hurt me and my friends. I suspect you do not do much hurting and that you try to compensate, but nonetheless, you are hu

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/7/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether or not it convinces you (or any specific person) to change, it > is very important that this list not drift into an ethical slumber > where we treat the use of Windows as legitimate or normal. I know, and I agree with you. But,

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-07 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/7/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would really like it if people would turn their attention > from this to the tasks listed in FOR-RELEASE. We could get a release > made this year if people start doing those tasks. Don't you think that TCP servers on Windows taking 10

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Perhaps some day I will abandon propriety operating systems (I would if there were a single GNU/Linux distribution I felt I was not going to hate in a few months), but if I do, it most definitely *won't be* because of your's (or anyone else's) rebukes. Whether or not it convinces y

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-07 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Yes. And it might be reasonable to postpone _that_ until after the release. Even though it would probably be of the "don't use it, and it won't break anything" variety. I would really like it if people would turn their attention from this to the tasks listed in FOR-RELEASE. We could

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-07 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/7/05, Robert J. Chassell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My apologies for giving that impression. That was not my intent. I > am talking about what you are doing to me and to people I know well. > I do not know what you prefer. Oh, yes? So saying that I don't like political answers to technic

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Robert J. Chassell
> ;; Set this value so that the From field is correct > (setq mail-host-address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") Thanks for the code. Could you give me a hint why the first should be set? Thank you for causing me to look into `mail-host-address' more thoroughly. Actually, I am not sure why t

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Robert J. Chassell
... Worse still, you give the clear impression that you think that you know what's better for me, ... My apologies for giving that impression. That was not my intent. I am talking about what you are doing to me and to people I know well. I do not know what you prefer. Are you talking a

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Lennart Borgman
Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: probably a great many injustices occur when the decision making process focuses purely on the technical or purely on the political. wherever there is choice, there is also beauty and ugliness, slack and coercion, understanding and misunderstanding. all these can be usef

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 06 Aug 2005 19:09:30 -0400, Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > probably a great many injustices occur when the decision making process > focuses purely on the technical or purely on the political. Of course. However, I tend to assume that people on the Emacs developers' list alread

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Thien-Thi Nguyen
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > only that it is not useful to receive politics when > asked about technical questions. probably a great many injustices occur when the decision making process focuses purely on the technical or purely on the political. wherever there is choice, th

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would rather see you living in freedom and maintaining Emacs > for GNU/Linux. Thanks. I appreciate your feelings. On that vein, I would much prefer to live in freedom and maintain Emacs for GNU/Hurd. Unfortunately, I'm not a kernel ha

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Richard M. Stallman
So the options are, losing my computer, or Emacs losing a Windows maintainer? :-) I would rather see you living in freedom and maintaining Emacs for GNU/Linux. ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listin

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Lennart Borgman
Robert J. Chassell wrote: Microsoft is a corporation that endeavors to restrict both your economic freedom and mine. By that decision it has decided to require either that I behave illegally or that I transfer resources to it in a non-economic fashion. I have not done either and cannot help yo

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Robert J. Chassell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You give the impression that you do not care that government enforced > restrictions make it harder for Lennart to find out how to use an > email client. You give the impression that you think that you know better than I do what do I thin

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Jason Rumney
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - It's an incompatible change, if small: --socket-name does not > exist, and you *must* use either the EMACS_SERVER_FILE environment > variable or the --server-file argument to emacsclient; otherwise > emacsclient will refuse to work. That is bad

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is bad. The original suggestion was to have a standard file > name for the server file. Yes. I'll make it default to ~/.emacs.server (~/ for the user running Emacs, of course). -- /L/e/k/t/u

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Sorry, Robert, but this is ridiculous. Lennart asks for people who's using an email client on w32, and you do help by saying "I don't", and then the usual rants about Microsoft. You give the impression that you do not care that government enforced restrictions make it harder for Lennart t

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:21:41 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > AFAIK, gnus can fetch mail from a POP3 mail server; I don't need to > worry about fetching the mail "by hand" with another program or > anything. I

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:30:02 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Could those of you that are using some mail client in Emacs on w32 > perhaps post to the list and tell how this setup is done

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread David Kastrup
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 8/6/05, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Oh, there is. Actually, one thing I would like as added >> functionality in emacsclient is an option "-t" for "tramp" which >> would fork a shell and let it act as a tramp connection. That w

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh what? Isn't there a default file name? No, there's not. What should it be? $HOME/.emacs.server, I suppose? > It is a new feature fixing a bug. Well, thanks for clarifying it ;-) > In my opinion it is one thing worth the hassle of ironin

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, there is. Actually, one thing I would like as added functionality > in emacsclient is an option "-t" for "tramp" which would fork a shell > and let it act as a tramp connection. That way, I could use > emacsclient from a su-shell (by poin

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread David Kastrup
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 8/6/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yes times are tough >> not to lose >> we must be rough >> follow rules > > Very funny. > > Still... > > Would someone *please* try and comment the changes? Or is there no > interest on an em

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread David Kastrup
Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 8/6/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'd say, if no one posts any practical comments in a week or so, go >> ahead and commit the changes. After all, the Emacs development rules >> do not mandate any peer review at all. > > You'r

Re: RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Robert J. Chassell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... some of us just do not know how to do it. Could those of you > that are using some mail client in Emacs on w32 ... > > Microsoft is a corporation that endeavors to restrict both your > economic freedom and mine. By that decis

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ??? Perhaps this is a misunderstanding. I didn't mean to say that > nothing has to be done to configure how mail is fetched from the > mailbox. But that part is not specific to RMAIL: _any_ mail package > in Emacs will need to set this up, an

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Stephan Stahl
Hi Lennart. Lennart Borgman said: > Perhaps your missing that some of us just do not know how to do it. > Could those of you that are using some mail client in Emacs on w32 > perhaps post to the list and tell how this setup is done? Or if you > think it is not relevant for this list post it to me

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd say, if no one posts any practical comments in a week or so, go > ahead and commit the changes. After all, the Emacs development rules > do not mandate any peer review at all. You're right. I would've liked some comments, though, for two

RMAIL settings [was: Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server]

2005-08-06 Thread Robert J. Chassell
... some of us just do not know how to do it. Could those of you that are using some mail client in Emacs on w32 ... Microsoft is a corporation that endeavors to restrict both your economic freedom and mine. By that decision it has decided to require either that I behave illegally or tha

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Lennart Borgman
Eli Zaretskii wrote: ??? Perhaps this is a misunderstanding. I didn't mean to say that nothing has to be done to configure how mail is fetched from the mailbox. But that part is not specific to RMAIL: _any_ mail package in Emacs will need to set this up, and the setup is (AFAIR) identical no m

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:12:50 +0100 > > > MUCH easier. In fact, it doesn't need any setup at all just to read > > messages and reply to them. You will only need to customize if you > >

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 02:02:40 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Would someone *please* try and comment the changes? Or is there no > interest on an emacs client/server accessible across the network and > Windows-compatible too?

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-06 Thread Jason Rumney
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Is RMAIL easier to set up than Gnus? > > MUCH easier. In fact, it doesn't need any setup at all just to read > messages and reply to them. You will only need to customize if you > want to use features like archiving mail in folders separated by > subj

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:10:28 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On 8/5/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I use RMAIL, but Gnus should also work. > > Is RMAIL easier to set up than Gnus? MUCH easier. In fact, it doesn't need a

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/6/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes times are tough > not to lose > we must be rough > follow rules Very funny. Still... Would someone *please* try and comment the changes? Or is there no interest on an emacs client/server accessible across the network and Windows-compat

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Lennart Borgman
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 8/5/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I recommend that you defenestrate your computer. Either throw Windows out of the computer, or throw the computer out the window. So the options are, losing my computer, or Emacs losing a Windows maint

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/5/05, Richard M. Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recommend that you defenestrate your computer. > Either throw Windows out of the computer, or throw > the computer out the window. So the options are, losing my computer, or Emacs losing a Windows maintainer? :-) --

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/5/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use RMAIL, but Gnus should also work. Is RMAIL easier to set up than Gnus? -- /L/e/k/t/u ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listin

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread David Kastrup
"Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That said, what would you recommend as e-mail interface for a > mostly-Windows Emacs user? Gnus? > > I recommend that you defenestrate your computer. > Either throw Windows out of the computer, or throw > the computer out the window. The

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Richard M. Stallman
That said, what would you recommend as e-mail interface for a mostly-Windows Emacs user? Gnus? I recommend that you defenestrate your computer. Either throw Windows out of the computer, or throw the computer out the window. ___ Emacs-devel mail

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:09:45 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > That said, what would you recommend as e-mail interface for a > mostly-Windows Emacs user? Gnus? I use RMAIL, but Gnus should also work. __

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Juanma Barranquero
The same patch, with a fix (there was a buffer overflow on emacsclient; not a security problem, but still...). send_to_emacs() is now much more rational. -- /L/e/k/t/u server.patch Description: Binary data ___ Emacs-devel mailing

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 8/5/05, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May I suggest to use Emacs? Well, I can read Gmail at places where I don't have Emacs. And Gmail is generally so nice that I've started using it as my main e-mail interface, which says something, as I've always hated web-based e-mail and used

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:59:15 +0200 > From: Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Emacs Devel > > I hate the things Gmail does to patches. May I suggest to use Emacs? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mai

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-05 Thread Juanma Barranquero
The same patch, but attached (I hate the things Gmail does to patches). -- /L/e/k/t/u server.patch Description: Binary data ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-08-04 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 7/15/05, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I don't think so. IIRC What we need for emacsclient/server to > work on Windows is to make it work over TCP sockets rather than only over > Unix sockets (because Windows supports TCL sockets but not Unix sockets). > > A good appro

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> OK but, what about connecting to a remote server? You don't need read > access to the filesystem to do it, do you? How's that currently done? Currently it doesn't work. It'd be a new feature provided by TCP sockets. But for it to work safely, it needs authentication, which is what the random st

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-27 Thread Jason Rumney
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 7/27/05, Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Multiple users can start servers on the same machine, so assigning a "standard" port is likely to conflict. It is better to let the socket library choose a free socket. The client will be reading it from

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-27 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 7/27/05, Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Multiple users can start servers on the same machine, so assigning a > "standard" port is likely to conflict. It is better to let the socket > library choose a free socket. The client will be reading it from a file > anyway, so the user does no

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-27 Thread Jason Rumney
Juanma Barranquero wrote: in server.el, use a TCP server socket (on a non-specified port). Once opened, check to see which port was used. Write the port and hostname together with a secret random string into ~/.emacs_server. When a connection comes in, check that the first bytes sent are exact

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-27 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 7/15/05, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I don't think so. IIRC What we need for emacsclient/server to > work on Windows is to make it work over TCP sockets rather than only over > Unix sockets (because Windows supports TCL sockets but not Unix sockets). I'm taking a sta

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-18 Thread Richard M. Stallman
There's a large number of issues specific to using Emacs on Windows that is not explained anywhere in the Emacs Manual. I would not be opposed to adding a certain amount of material to the existing section. However, if it is going to become large, it should be moved out of the manua

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-17 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 7/15/05, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, again this is an issue that the only people qualified to comment > on are those that have actually experience with Windows, MSVC and the > JPEG libraries, and it is likely that pretty much the only person > qualified to comment on it is

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-17 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:36:19 -0400 > > I was talking about user-level features and the User's Manual, not the > Lisp Manual. > > The appendix that is suggested does not belong in the Emacs

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-17 Thread Richard M. Stallman
> Yes, I think Windows-specific appendix in the manual is sorely needed, > to at least describe all those w32-SOMETHING functions and variables, > if nothing else. > > I would rather not put them in the printed Lisp Manual. I was talking about user-level featur

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Richard M. Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:45:32 -0400 > > Yes, I think Windows-specific appendix in the manual is sorely needed, > to at least describe all those w32-SOMETHING functi

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:56:43 +0200 > > >> Look, it is getting annoying. You have not _once_ in this whole > >> thread clearly spelled out _what_ your problem is and what you want > >> done. > > > > Actual

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:00:57 +0200 > > > How about adding some code to `openp' so that, on w32 platforms, it > > would look for the program/file in the Registry, in addition to the > > li

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Ghostscript is a port of a Unix program, It's not a "Unix program"--it was developed for the GNU system, and GNU's Not Unix ;-). ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Richard M. Stallman
> Look, it is getting annoying. You have not _once_ in this whole > thread clearly spelled out _what_ your problem is and what you want > done. Actually, he did. Perhaps you weren't listening. With so much mail in this thread, I don't see how he could even read all of it. I can

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> (I'm suggesting to look in the Registry _before_ you look along >> PATH because this is simpler and faster. But if there are good >> reasons to look along PATH first, let's hear them.) > > Few users will kno

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Jason Rumney
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (I'm suggesting to look in the Registry _before_ you look along PATH > because this is simpler and faster. But if there are good reasons to > look along PATH first, let's hear them.) Few users will know about this registry "App Path" (it was news to me

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Jason Rumney
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > According to that article, there are a few more directories where > openp should look for executables: the Windows directory and the > Windows/System32 (Windows/system on Windows 9X) directory. Perhaps > w32.c:init_environment should prepend these two d

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-16 Thread Richard M. Stallman
Yes, I think Windows-specific appendix in the manual is sorely needed, to at least describe all those w32-SOMETHING functions and variables, if nothing else. I would rather not put them in the printed Lisp Manual. A separate manual that we don't print would be better. ___

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 08:14:10 +0200 >> Cc: Emacs Devel , Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Look, it is getting annoying. You have not _once_ in this whole >> thread clearly spelled out _what_ your prob

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread David Kastrup
Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:39:44 +0200 >> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: Emacs Devel >> >> Paper size is one I remember right now. Another is the location of >> Ghostscript. > > How about adding some code to `openp' so that, on w32 pl

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Lennart Borgman
Eli Zaretskii wrote: In the case of Ghostscript it is actually quite complicated. I have code for finding Ghostscript in the file w32-regdat.el which is part of EmacsW32. This uses an external program to read the Registry. The actual Registry interface is in w32-reg-iface.el (also in EmacsW32)

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Lennart Borgman
Eli Zaretskii wrote: According to that article, there are a few more directories where openp should look for executables: the Windows directory and the Windows/System32 (Windows/system on Windows 9X) directory. Perhaps w32.c:init_environment should prepend these two directories to the value of

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:40:00 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I do not think it is only for DLLs. I can not say that MS is very clear > in their documentation, some info is hard to find. But look here, this >

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server

2005-07-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 7/15/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whats wrong with the situation extisting the last 10 years (estimated ;-): > 1. Installing w32-emacs > 2. Installing gnuserv/gnuclient > 3. setting up gnuserv/gnuclient (AFAIK ~ 2 line in .emacs) > 4. Having a well working Emacs-server on

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:53:04 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > In the case of Ghostscript it is actually quite complicated. I have code > for finding Ghostscript in the file w32-regdat.el which is part of > Ema

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Lennart Borgman
Jason Rumney wrote: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\. I see. The path is not as unpredictable as I thought. However, gs.exe or gswin32.exe is not listed in my registry, even though I have it installed, so this is no

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Lennart Borgman
Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:28:20 +0200 From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org I found it however a bit hard to think of a seamless way to integrate this in openp. Could you elaborate a little bit more? Something like a call to a w32-specifi

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Lennart Borgman
Eli Zaretskii wrote: Cc: Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emacs-devel@gnu.org From: Jason Rumney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:50:14 +0100 Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\. I see. The path is n

Re: w32 does not have emacsclient/server - getting paper size

2005-07-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:28:20 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I found it however a bit hard to think of a seamless way to > integrate this in openp. Could you elaborate a little bit more? Something like a call to a w32-specific function (whose

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