Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/04/2013 04:18 AM, EBo wrote: > On Feb 3 2013 10:21 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: >> EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, >> you been arounf here a long time i think > Yes. Paul's nastiness is why I completely disengaged from EMC for a > *very* long time. It wa

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/03/2013 02:59 PM, EBo wrote: > On Feb 3 2013 1:02 PM, Chris Morley wrote: I don't know if the trajectory planner keeps the move history, if >>> it does then it might be possible to allow negative adaptive feed. >>> Unfortunately negative feed would require major rework - there is no

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/04/2013 04:18 AM, EBo wrote: > On Feb 3 2013 10:21 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: >> EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, >> you been arounf here a long time i think > Yes. Paul's nastiness is why I completely disengaged from EMC for a > *very* long time. It wa

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 09:43 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: > > Am 04.02.2013 um 14:11 schrieb EBo: > > So my question to you is how long do you keep the 2.5 branch if/when a > > 3.0 branch becomes stable and fully functional? It should not be 0, but > > it also should not be forever. > > I d

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/4 EBo : > > I do not have time to really crawl into his code, and have the > following question that I could see as being a problem: Can a long move > be interrupted and reversed? If so, how does it handle the > deceleration? In the video it switches back and forth right in a middle of pa

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 02/04/2013 03:29 AM, EBo wrote: > Also, if people have not done it already, I > *strongly* recommend setting up a fully automated unit and regression > test suite. We have a regression testing infrastructure and a pile of regression tests. We have continuous integration setup that runs the te

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 14:11 schrieb EBo: > On Feb 4 2013 4:18 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: >> Am 04.02.2013 um 11:29 schrieb EBo: > >>> In the past, and >>> I can read it between the lines now, that the invasiveness of the >>> modifications will take so much time and effort that lots of other >>> thin

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 4 2013 4:18 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: > Am 04.02.2013 um 11:29 schrieb EBo: > >> On Feb 4 2013 2:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: >>> Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: >>> >> Well, I can see this going two ways. EMC works now. > > well, the new RTOS branches do, too - sticking with that f

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 11:29 schrieb EBo: > On Feb 4 2013 2:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: >> Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: >> >>> LinuxCNC-3.0 then as a design philosophy? >> >> I would rather call it sheer necessity in some cases, although >> individual perceptions of urgency obviously differ

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 4 2013 2:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: > Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: > >> LinuxCNC-3.0 then as a design philosophy? > > I would rather call it sheer necessity in some cases, although > individual perceptions of urgency obviously differ. > > For instance, I dont think broadening the

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 10:21 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: > EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, > you been arounf here a long time i think Yes. Paul's nastiness is why I completely disengaged from EMC for a *very* long time. It was the type of two faced - stab you in the

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: > On Feb 4 2013 1:45 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: >> Am 04.02.2013 um 08:25 schrieb Chris Morley: What about different motion modules optimized different classes of applications? >>> >>> >>> Yes Peter I think your on the best track. >>> >>> U

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 11:58 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2013/2/4 sam sokolik : >> Oh - and this is kinda interesting... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLs89YPtck >> >> Follow and translate the link in the description.. (interesting >> hack..) > > If anyone needs translation from Russian: > The way

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 4 2013 1:45 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: > Am 04.02.2013 um 08:25 schrieb Chris Morley: >>> What about different motion modules optimized different classes of >>> applications? >>> >> >> >> Yes Peter I think your on the best track. >> >> Unfortunately that's a big chunk of code to try and un

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 08:25 schrieb Chris Morley: > > >>> Sure, you can say "an EDM will never make a spindle synchronized >>> move", but changes to the motion module need to do sane things >>> regardless of what kind of a machine is being controlled. >>> >>> >> >> What about different motion mod

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
> > Sure, you can say "an EDM will never make a spindle synchronized > > move", but changes to the motion module need to do sane things > > regardless of what kind of a machine is being controlled. > > > > > > What about different motion modules optimized different classes of > applications? >

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/4 Chris Morley : > > >> If anyone needs translation from Russian: >> The way this works is a g-code filter, which generates a "reverse" >> g-code for a particular g-code line and inserts it _before_ this >> particular g-code line with a "/" symbol in front of it. >> It seems like a change in

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
> If anyone needs translation from Russian: > The way this works is a g-code filter, which generates a "reverse" > g-code for a particular g-code line and inserts it _before_ this > particular g-code line with a "/" symbol in front of it. > It seems like a change in Axis GUI script to redefine "z

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/4 sam sokolik : > Oh - and this is kinda interesting... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLs89YPtck > > Follow and translate the link in the description.. (interesting hack..) If anyone needs translation from Russian: The way this works is a g-code filter, which generates a "reverse" g-

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread TJoseph Powderly
EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, you been arounf here a long time i think btw: mydynac ( and RayHenry's) approach could not reverse even 1 unit of measure the 'adaptive speed' method could only reduce forward velocity , can not reverse at all there was no dw

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
te: >>> On Feb 3 2013 3:42 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: >>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: >>>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 >>>>> From: John Kasunich >>>>> Reply-To: EMC developers >>

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
sunich >>>> Reply-To: EMC developers >>>> To: EMC developers >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: >>>> >

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
Scott, Thanks. I will look at this when I get a chance. I may end up reworking an old Bezier spline driver module to straight step direction code if it comes to that. More later, EBo -- On Feb 3 2013 7:17 PM, Scott Hasse wrote: > For simple simker EDM I implemented reversing in a gco

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread sam sokolik
ace wrote: >>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: >>> >>>> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 >>>> From: John Kasunich >>>> Reply-To: EMC developers >>>> To: EMC developers >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custo

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread sam sokolik
EMC developers >>>> To: EMC developers >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: >>>> >>>>> possibly, but a m

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/03/2013 07:47 PM, EBo wrote: > On Feb 3 2013 3:42 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: >> >>> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 >>> From: John Kasunich >>> Reply-To: EMC developers >>> To: EMC devel

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Scott Hasse
For simple simker EDM I implemented reversing in a gcode loop sensing an analog input: http://code.google.com/p/sector67-sandbox/wiki/FrequencyBasedAnalogInput this was simple for my application, could stand to be refined somewhat, and would get complicated for anything but straight down/up. Sco

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 3:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote: > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: > >> >> possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the >> point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just >> evaluate >> it in reverse. I do not know how difficult that

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 3:42 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: > >> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 >> From: John Kasunich >> Reply-To: EMC developers >> To: EMC developers >> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM config

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: > Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 > From: John Kasunich > Reply-To: EMC developers > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions > > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo w

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread John Kasunich
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: > > possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the > point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just evaluate > it in reverse. I do not know how difficult that would be, but it would > require the ability to

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 1:59 PM, ed wrote: > Steve Stallings wrote: > > > > SNIP >> >> That would be Pete Gruendeman. We have not been >> in contact since about 2008, a year after the >> fest where he brought his setup. >> >> I keep intending to get back to making something >> more for EDM, but never seem t

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 1:02 PM, Chris Morley wrote: >> >> ... > > Michael did a proof of concept on jog-while-paused once. > You can see it on Utube. I just looked this up and the video does not move backward along the jogged path, but straight to where it was before. I would expect that with a wirefed

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 1:02 PM, Chris Morley wrote: >> >> > I don't know if the trajectory planner keeps the move history, if >> it >> > does then it might be possible to allow negative adaptive feed. >> >> Unfortunately negative feed would require major rework - there is no >> history of the path that has

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread ed
Steve Stallings wrote: SNIP > > That would be Pete Gruendeman. We have not been > in contact since about 2008, a year after the > fest where he brought his setup. > > I keep intending to get back to making something > more for EDM, but never seem to get the time. > > Pete's system did not use

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
> > > I don't know if the trajectory planner keeps the move history, if it > > does then it might be possible to allow negative adaptive feed. > > Unfortunately negative feed would require major rework - there is no > history of the path that has been executed. (That has also been > discussed

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Dave
Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions > > >> -Original Message- >> From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] >> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:43 AM >> To: EMC developers >> Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread John Kasunich
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 06:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 3 February 2013 13:39, EBo wrote: > > > What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the > > electronics can return a "pause" signal until it has burned burned > > through the requested material, > > Adaptive feed _might

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread ebo
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions > -Original Message- > From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:43 AM > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions > &

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Steve Stallings
> -Original Message- > From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:43 AM > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions > > On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 15:50 +0200, andy pugh wrote: > > On

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread dave
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 15:50 +0200, andy pugh wrote: > On 3 February 2013 15:39, EBo wrote: > > > Short answer is that decades ago I was shown a EDM head that could self > > retract a small distance > > If this is purely a die-sinking application then I suggest not > bothering with G-code at all.

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 February 2013 15:39, EBo wrote: > Short answer is that decades ago I was shown a EDM head that could self > retract a small distance If this is purely a die-sinking application then I suggest not bothering with G-code at all. Do the whole thing in HAL with a custom component, and maybe you

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 4:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 3 February 2013 13:39, EBo wrote: > >> What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the >> electronics can return a "pause" signal until it has burned burned >> through the requested material, > > Adaptive feed _might_ work, but there

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 February 2013 13:39, EBo wrote: > What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the > electronics can return a "pause" signal until it has burned burned > through the requested material, Adaptive feed _might_ work, but there is no way in the current code to run the path bac

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 4:47 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: > 2013/2/3 EBo : >> Long story short I am looking at building a project that would >> likely >> work best with EDM. I am looking at building a custom EDM head for >> a a >> CNC router that is currently configured for 0.0001" step. >> >> What I am tryi

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/3 EBo : > Long story short I am looking at building a project that would likely > work best with EDM. I am looking at building a custom EDM head for a a > CNC router that is currently configured for 0.0001" step. > > What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the > elect

[Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
Long story short I am looking at building a project that would likely work best with EDM. I am looking at building a custom EDM head for a a CNC router that is currently configured for 0.0001" step. What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the electronics can return a "pa