RE: Steel Balls vs. Chickens

2001-09-26 Thread jestuckey
The sign at China Lake: WHAT YOU SEE HERE, SAY HERE, DO HERE, STAYS HERE! JOHN E. STUCKEY EMC Engineer NCT EMC 002047

RE: Applying the appropriate ENs

2001-09-26 Thread Gregg Kervill
This is a natural reaction - and even an 'Enforcement Officer' in the UK has produced a book suggesting that you can do a safety review and apply the CE Marking for safety using only ONE template (which happens to be his book!!!). Consider the number of PRODUCT standards written - these reflect t

RE: Applying the appropriate ENs

2001-09-26 Thread Peter Merguerian
Rich, I agree with you with your statement "rather than address products, safety standards need to address hazards". However, the "hazard" standards must be made taking into consideration the environment in which the product is used "light industry, heavy industry, medical, office, outdoor, hom

RE: Thin Insulation (Electrical) Material

2001-09-26 Thread Ehler, Kyle
I like a material called 'Formex GK' polypropylene because is is not hygroscopic like nomex and has acceptable flame rating. I dont know if they offer it in clear. Model GK-17BK comes in a 24 inch by 1000 foot roll and is 0.017" thick black sheet. UL listed CCN: QMFZ2 file # E121855 Try: ITW Fast

RE: Steel Balls vs. Chickens

2001-09-26 Thread Michael Taylor
A really "trick" cannon was used at China Lake-NWTC & Edwards-AFB to test the impact resistance on All Weather Aircraft wind screens & canopy's. Fresh Frozen chickens were defrosted the day before and "shot" out of a high pressure tube at the subject wind screens & canopy's simulating bird impact i

Steel Balls vs. Chickens

2001-09-26 Thread georgea
In the late 1960's I was working on what became IBM's first copier. We made frequent use of "NESA" glass, a PPG product. This consisted of an ultra-thin gold layer deposited on glass sheets. We could perform photoconductor light-discharge experiments by coating the PC on the gold surface, and

Re: Thin Insulation (Electrical) Material

2001-09-26 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Enci: The materials you mention, NOMEX aramid paper and phenolic are suitable materials for your application. For your application, I suggest the material be rated VTM-1 or better. VTM means Very Thin Material, and is a UL designation for the material flame rating. I also suggest the mat

Re: Applying the appropriate ENs

2001-09-26 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that wo...@sensormatic.com wrote (in <846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A43A3B3@flbocexu05>) about 'Applying the appropriate ENs', on Wed, 26 Sep 2001: >Assume a product is primarily intended for a particular use (example: CCTV >for surveillance use) and the appropriate ENs are a

Re: Steel ball for impact tests

2001-09-26 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that umbdenst...@sensormatic.com wrote (in <846BF526A205F84BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A21967C@flbocexu05>) about 'Steel ball for impact tests', on Wed, 26 Sep 2001: >Searching for a new sport, Check aircraft cockpit windows for resistance to bird strike by projecting chicken carcasses at

Re: Applying the appropriate ENs

2001-09-26 Thread Rich Nute
> It is the primary end use of the product that dictates the standard(s) > required. Unfortunately, this archaic and provincial view on the part of standards organizations that standards should be per product has created problems that most of us would like to avoid. Consider product saf

Thin Insulation (Electrical) Material

2001-09-26 Thread Enci
Hi, I am looking for source/names/information on thin electrical insulation material - preferrably in the UK please. I have a small metal housing, which needs additional insulation. My first prototype used polyester tape, as used for transformer windings. Tape is not an ideal solution due to t

Re: Applying the appropriate ENs

2001-09-26 Thread Enci
It is the primary end use of the product that dictates the standard(s) required. If a product is sold as X, but then used by the user as Y, the manufacturer/etc only has to apply X relevant standards. But if the product is sold/marketed as Y, then Y standards must be applied. As a manufacturer/

RE: Steel ball for impact tests

2001-09-26 Thread John Juhasz
Don's message brings up a key consideration for any type of test that is performed - repeatability. If you can't repeat the results, you need to re-evaluate your methodology. For instance, in the event you had a failure, it would be difficult to determine if your fix actually worked. John Juh

Central New England -Joint IEEE EMC Chapter/NPSS Meeting on Wedne sday, September 26 at EMC Corp., Hopkinton, MA

2001-09-26 Thread Shusterman_Boris
Announcement- Subject - EMF Personnel Safety Issues Relating to EMC Testing Speaker - Dave Baron, Holaday Industries The Speaker will address aspects of electromagnetic field (EMF) environments relating to workplace safety. Topics will include the biological basis for controlling human exposu

RE: Test lab in the Vancouver, BC/ Seattle, WA area

2001-09-26 Thread Brien . JeanClaude
Good morning Terry, I know of a testing and engineering service lab in Vancouver; Celltech, a division of Globus Wireless. I do not know if they have all the capacities you require because I dealt with them only on the radio certification side of their business but you may contact them. Here are

RE: Steel ball for impact tests

2001-09-26 Thread UMBDENSTOCK
Scott, You had indicated that " A tube is nice but not needed if you can drop the weight accurately. . ." I also used to test "bombs away", somewhat as a sport to see how close I could come to the desired spot. We had an interesting experienced that permanently changed our approach. We had a d

Applying the appropriate ENs

2001-09-26 Thread WOODS
Assume a product is primarily intended for a particular use (example: CCTV for surveillance use) and the appropriate ENs are applied for that intended use and a Declaration of Conformity is issued listing the applied standard. Now assume that the product is marketed and sold for a secondary intend

RE: Steel ball for impact tests

2001-09-26 Thread ooverton
Just don't let your ES&H people see you standing on a chair to perform this test. <; ) "Scott Lacey" on 09/25/2001 05:38:44 PM Please respond to "Scott Lacey" To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: Steel ball for

RE: Photo Sensitive Epilepsy. (PSE)

2001-09-26 Thread WOODS
I assisted in developing a tester for brain damage a long time ago. The device created flicker at various rates and the rate was lowered until the patient first noted the flicker. It seems that a person with brain damage is able to notice flicker at a higher rate than a healthy person. Richard Wo

Re: Photo Sensitive Epilepsy. (PSE)

2001-09-26 Thread Nick Williams
John, I can't answer your question directly, but we did some research into PSE just over a year ago, and were told the following by a consultant pediatric neurologist at Sheffield children's hospital: - Teenagers and adolescents are most susceptible. - Small percentage of people susceptible,

Re: Active loop antenna overload

2001-09-26 Thread Cortland Richmond
I think we may be assuming this overload is caused by the EUT. But this is just as likely to be caused by something else. Medium Wave and Long Wave broadcasting produces powerful fields at some distance from an antenna. This has a fix. If you place a narrowly resonant loop antenna, with feed poin

Re: Active loop antenna overload

2001-09-26 Thread Ken Javor
Assuming that moving the antenna away from the source is not a palatable solution, here is a more complex answer. The loop is electrostatically shielded, which means there is a small air gap somewhere around the loop shield, usually at the top or at the base. If you do a "poor" job of jumpering

Re: Active loop antenna overload

2001-09-26 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Hi, I have some questions. What are the dimension of your loop? Are you measuring a static field? If so, I suggest you use a Hall-effect type sensor, I have had good results at powerline frequencies. If you are measuring the H-field component for anything in the 30 MHz or so region, I would

RE: Steel ball for impact tests

2001-09-26 Thread Gregg Kervill
PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS 500gms +- 25gms Best regards Gregg -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Scott Lacey Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:39 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Steel ba